From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] Remove special requirement to disable startup message. Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 21:27:31 +0200 Message-ID: <83zix2p9lo.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878u4qdpd4.fsf@udel.edu> <83si2xt967.fsf@gnu.org> <20151222190949.GB5310@holos> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1450812431 12266 80.91.229.3 (22 Dec 2015 19:27:11 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 19:27:11 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Mark Oteiza Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 20:27:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaP-00045S-OJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:27:05 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52676 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaP-0006dg-4X for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:27:05 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaM-0006da-5M for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:27:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaH-0004cz-LV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:27:02 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:36171) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaH-0004cv-Ii; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:26:57 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1747 helo=HOME-C4E4A596F7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1aBSaG-0006e0-Ta; Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:26:57 -0500 In-reply-to: <20151222190949.GB5310@holos> (message from Mark Oteiza on Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:09:49 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:196687 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:09:49 -0500 > From: Mark Oteiza > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > . make sure display-startup-echo-area-message cannot be so easily > > redefined or advised (up to some practical limit) > > > > . allow the value to be a list of strings, each one a user name, and > > prevent the echo-area message from being displayed if the user > > name is one of these strings -- this should take care of the use > > case in bug#12370 > > > > Would you like to work on these enhancements? > > Thanks but no thanks. I'm not interested in obfuscating the > customization of Emacs Overriding internal functions is hardly customization. But anyway, that's the 1st item. What about the second? Doing that would fix the use case reported in bug#12370, without obfuscating anything else. > and have not yet been given any reason why such a thing is > important. My take of that is that advertising the GNU project to newcomers is important to us. But you already asked Richard about that, and I'm sure he will be able to explain that much better than I can. Thanks.