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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jaakov <j_k_v@ro.ru>
Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#13949: (no subject)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 22:07:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zitq2s56.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56F1A2B4.8010401@ro.ru> (message from Jaakov on Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:53:24 +0100)

> Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Jaakov <j_k_v@ro.ru>
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:53:24 +0100
> 
> >> I think you just didn't get my point.
> >
> > I'm getting your point, believe me.
> >
> >> Am I being unclear on the principal difference between
> >> (1) _what_ a routine should do and
> >> (2) _how_ it should do it?
> >> ?
> >
> > I understand you, I just don't agree.
> 
> Your argument for not agreeing was:
> 
> "the buffer text is changed (at least twice), which turns on the 
> modified flag."
> 
> If you do understand me, please observe that from the viewpoint of (1) 
> in the described examples the buffer text is NOT changed, neither once, 
> nor twice, not at all.
> (Some properties may change, but not the buffer text. Also, the user has 
> no practical way to look at the intermediate computation.)
> 
> Reason:
> 
> In our case, in the view of (1) the term "buffer text is changed" is 
> defined, somewhat diffusely, as not "the same contents as the 
> corresponding file on the disk".
> 
> Source:
> "The text displayed in the mode line has the following format:
> cs:ch-fr  buf      pos line   (major minor)
> ...
> The next element on the mode line is the string indicated by ch. This 
> shows two dashes (‘--’) if the buffer displayed in the window has the 
> same contents as the corresponding file on the disk; i.e., if the buffer 
> is “unmodified”. If the buffer is modified, it shows two stars (‘**’)."
> from
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Mode-Line.html#Mode-Line
> 
> Therefore, the first part of your argument is invalid.
> 
> Am I being clear?

Yes.

But you are entirely missing the point.  I'm not saying anything about
the subject of this report, except this: it's an enhancement request.
Why?  Because (a) the code does exactly what it was designed to do,
not something different; and (b) the effect of what the code does in
this case is not a serious problem, like a crash or inability to do
something important, it is just a minor annoyance.

Therefore, the triage of the bug report as an enhancement request
(a.k.a. "wishlist") is correct.

Please note that I said nothing at all about whether the code should
do something else, or whether the documentation should be corrected to
use a different definition of what the "**" indication means.  This
would be a different argument, and I might even agree with you there.
I'm only talking about the severity value, nothing else.

OK?





  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-22 20:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-03-13 22:09 bug#13949: 24.3.50; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14  3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14  7:57   ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 10:27     ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 17:50       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 13:38     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-14 17:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34         ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 18:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:01             ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 19:19               ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:32                 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15  4:02         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-15  7:27           ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 17:46     ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34       ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-22 10:50 ` bug#13949: 24.4.1; " Jaakov
2016-03-22 11:39   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-22 16:15   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 17:40     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:56       ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:07         ` Drew Adams
2016-03-22 18:23           ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 18:42         ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:46           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27  3:31             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27  7:44               ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:09                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28  8:01                   ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27  8:42               ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-27 14:59                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:15                   ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:21                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 18:53                     ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:13                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 14:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 15:28                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:52                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:57                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:21                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:33                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:46                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:58                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 18:22                                 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:29                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:58                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:05                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:12                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:37                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:50                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 17:30                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:38                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:00                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:14                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:46                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:11                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:18                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:28                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 10:39                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:27                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:32                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 13:46                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:29                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:15                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39                               ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:52                                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28 16:29                                   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:04                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:07                                       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:37                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:45                                           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 18:17                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28  8:09                 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:28               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:46                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:53                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:24                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:05                         ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 21:20                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 22:03                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:35                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:42                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:50                     ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:27                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:36                         ` Jaakov
2016-03-27 16:08                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:52     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:40 ` bug#13949: (no subject) Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:56   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:07     ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 19:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:53         ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 20:07           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-03-22 21:58             ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 22:38               ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-23 15:57                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:45                   ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:33                 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-23 15:57               ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 23:44 ` bug#13949: `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Petros Travioli
2016-03-28  4:55 ` bug#13949: fill-paragraph is buggy, but using MD5 is even more buggy Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 10:32   ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 13:29     ` bug#13949: Aw: " Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 14:31       ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 17:05       ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:16 ` Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 17:05   ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:06   ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 19:03     ` Petros Travioli

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