From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jaakov <j_k_v@ro.ru>
Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#13949: (no subject)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 22:07:33 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zitq2s56.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <56F1A2B4.8010401@ro.ru> (message from Jaakov on Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:53:24 +0100)
> Cc: 13949@debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Jaakov <j_k_v@ro.ru>
> Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2016 20:53:24 +0100
>
> >> I think you just didn't get my point.
> >
> > I'm getting your point, believe me.
> >
> >> Am I being unclear on the principal difference between
> >> (1) _what_ a routine should do and
> >> (2) _how_ it should do it?
> >> ?
> >
> > I understand you, I just don't agree.
>
> Your argument for not agreeing was:
>
> "the buffer text is changed (at least twice), which turns on the
> modified flag."
>
> If you do understand me, please observe that from the viewpoint of (1)
> in the described examples the buffer text is NOT changed, neither once,
> nor twice, not at all.
> (Some properties may change, but not the buffer text. Also, the user has
> no practical way to look at the intermediate computation.)
>
> Reason:
>
> In our case, in the view of (1) the term "buffer text is changed" is
> defined, somewhat diffusely, as not "the same contents as the
> corresponding file on the disk".
>
> Source:
> "The text displayed in the mode line has the following format:
> cs:ch-fr buf pos line (major minor)
> ...
> The next element on the mode line is the string indicated by ch. This
> shows two dashes (‘--’) if the buffer displayed in the window has the
> same contents as the corresponding file on the disk; i.e., if the buffer
> is “unmodified”. If the buffer is modified, it shows two stars (‘**’)."
> from
> https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Mode-Line.html#Mode-Line
>
> Therefore, the first part of your argument is invalid.
>
> Am I being clear?
Yes.
But you are entirely missing the point. I'm not saying anything about
the subject of this report, except this: it's an enhancement request.
Why? Because (a) the code does exactly what it was designed to do,
not something different; and (b) the effect of what the code does in
this case is not a serious problem, like a crash or inability to do
something important, it is just a minor annoyance.
Therefore, the triage of the bug report as an enhancement request
(a.k.a. "wishlist") is correct.
Please note that I said nothing at all about whether the code should
do something else, or whether the documentation should be corrected to
use a different definition of what the "**" indication means. This
would be a different argument, and I might even agree with you there.
I'm only talking about the severity value, nothing else.
OK?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-03-22 20:07 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 116+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-13 22:09 bug#13949: 24.3.50; `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 3:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 7:57 ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 10:27 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 17:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 13:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-14 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 18:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:01 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 19:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 19:32 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 4:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-15 7:27 ` Dani Moncayo
2013-03-14 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-14 18:34 ` Dani Moncayo
2016-03-22 10:50 ` bug#13949: 24.4.1; " Jaakov
2016-03-22 11:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-22 16:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 17:40 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:56 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:07 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-22 18:23 ` Michael Heerdegen
2016-03-22 18:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 18:42 ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:46 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-27 3:31 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 7:44 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:09 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28 8:01 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 8:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-27 14:59 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:15 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 18:53 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:13 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 14:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 15:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:57 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:46 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:58 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 18:22 ` Drew Adams
2016-03-27 15:29 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 16:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 17:30 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:38 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 17:00 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:14 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:11 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-27 16:28 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 10:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:32 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 11:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 13:46 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:39 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 15:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-28 16:29 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:07 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 17:45 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 18:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 8:09 ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-27 15:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:53 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 21:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 22:03 ` Óscar Fuentes
2016-03-27 15:35 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 15:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 15:50 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-27 20:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-27 21:36 ` Jaakov
2016-03-27 16:08 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 17:52 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:40 ` bug#13949: (no subject) Jaakov
2016-03-22 18:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:07 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 19:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 19:53 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 20:07 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2016-03-22 21:58 ` Jaakov
2016-03-22 22:38 ` Glenn Morris
2016-03-23 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-23 17:45 ` Jaakov
2016-03-26 23:33 ` John Wiegley
2016-03-23 15:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-22 23:44 ` bug#13949: `fill-paragraph' should not always put the buffer as modified Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 4:55 ` bug#13949: fill-paragraph is buggy, but using MD5 is even more buggy Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 10:32 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 13:29 ` bug#13949: Aw: " Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 14:31 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-03-28 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 15:16 ` Petros Travioli
2016-03-28 17:05 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2016-03-28 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-03-28 19:03 ` Petros Travioli
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