From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: debbugs tracker builds character Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 17:50:01 +0300 Message-ID: <83zipbxcyu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <4hd1rw1ubr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vb50wxhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87y49vz4cg.fsf@acer.localhost.com> <87twg2g86g.fsf@lifelogs.com> <83eg76n5h5.fsf@gnu.org> <87y45eeoor.fsf@lifelogs.com> <577D42BB.1020500@cs.ucla.edu> <87oa694rfw.fsf@russet.org.uk> <837fcxlbay.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1d2wg5.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83eg75jk5h.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh1cb6p0.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87oa5sa176.fsf_-_@lifelogs.com> <874m7kmkcm.fsf@gmx.de> <871t2o6t94.fsf@gmx.de> <87wpkf6pup.fsf@lifelogs.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1469113078 11085 80.91.229.3 (21 Jul 2016 14:57:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 14:57:58 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 21 16:57:52 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFQ7-0001I8-Rc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 16:57:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFQ7-00076V-1k for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:57:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFIU-0001DE-KF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:49:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFIS-00080Y-M1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:49:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:49627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFIS-00080N-Ih for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:49:56 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4930 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bQFIQ-0004uw-RD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:49:55 -0400 In-reply-to: <87wpkf6pup.fsf@lifelogs.com> (message from Ted Zlatanov on Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:13:50 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:205962 Archived-At: > From: Ted Zlatanov > Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2016 10:13:50 -0400 > > Will the Emacs developers follow me? I'd love to see them use a better > process. I'm happy to concede I'm wrong and the current process works > fine, but the evidence leads me to believe it can be improved with > better tools (similar to the evidence in favor of Git when we were using > Bazaar). I'm not going to spend the next 6 months talking about it; I'd > rather know if the maintainers (Eli and John) and other core developers > are willing to consider Gitlab or something similar. If you expect an answer from me, then I don't have enough information to do that. I never worked with Gitlab, have only a casual familiarity with Github, and don't have any clear idea of what would that mean for the process. Someone™ will have to set up a test repository which can be freely played with, and provide enough instructions for the relevant frequent ops to allow some first-hand experience with Gitlab (or whatever). Only then I will be able to say something intelligent. FWIW, most of the time I use up on Emacs-related work is spent debugging and reviewing patches, not on stuff related to debbugs and the VCS; the latter take negligible time. Not sure what that means in the context of this discussion. Thanks.