From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#30397: Random numbers in grep mode-line Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 17:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: <83zi4i2n2o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<87tvurtbek.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<702f1621-529b-47b0-a15d-898a2fd81f79@default>> <<83eflu4hjx.fsf@gnu.org>> <3e9d0fd8-b859-4eec-8f34-54185dd6c0f3@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1518191607 18745 195.159.176.226 (9 Feb 2018 15:53:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:53:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 30397@debbugs.gnu.org, juri@linkov.net To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 09 16:53:23 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAyt-00035J-UB for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 16:52:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37337 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekB0v-0003jC-E5 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:55:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44398) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAib-0003Mz-Ku for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:36:06 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAiY-0006vS-IW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:36:05 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:55921) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAiY-0006vM-ET for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:36:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAiY-000774-3z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:36:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 30397 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 30397-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B30397.151819054327315 (code B ref 30397); Fri, 09 Feb 2018 15:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 30397) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2018 15:35:43 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAiF-00076V-8k for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:35:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:53263) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAiD-00076I-Gn for 30397@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:35:41 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAi4-0006ld-SV for 30397@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:35:36 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:59915) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAi4-0006lY-Mv; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:35:32 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2288 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ekAi3-0004ON-TY; Fri, 09 Feb 2018 10:35:32 -0500 In-reply-to: <3e9d0fd8-b859-4eec-8f34-54185dd6c0f3@default> (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:27:55 -0800 (PST)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:143054 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 07:27:55 -0800 (PST) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: juri@linkov.net, 30397@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > But `C-h m' says nothing about this (it should). > > > > > > And clicking `compilation-mode' (the parent) in the `C-h m' output > > > shows that mode's doc, but it too says nothing about this. > > > > I don't see modes whose "C-h m" tells anything about mode-line > > indicators. Do you? > > No. And? > > How many modes do you see that have mode-line info > that needs explanation? >From my POV, almost all of those which put there something that is not just the mode's (abbreviated) name. > There might well be some others - in that case, feel free to file > bugs for those too. Filing a bug doesn't solve the problem. > If you agree that better help about this would be > in order, where would you suggest putting that help, > if not on `C-h m'? Our current practice is to describe that in the manual. If we decide to add that to "C-h m", we should do that for all the modes. We should also consider the discoverability: "C-h m" is not where I would look for documentation of a mode, only for its keybindings.