From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31125: 26; (emacs) `Highlight Interactively' Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 14:38:08 +0300 Message-ID: <83zi281wpr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<<57ad2ae3-cfe5-4fca-a503-e106658d3e38@default>>> <<<83efjl3cyk.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<5b84d18a-5781-4ab9-8593-5db385574556@default>> <<83a7u92m60.fsf@gnu.org>> <128680b7-eb89-42ec-9013-a99120d6d8f8@default> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1523533032 6761 195.159.176.226 (12 Apr 2018 11:37:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:37:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31125@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 12 13:37:08 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aXK-0001d3-Ti for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 13:37:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60465 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aZR-0006Hv-Kn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:39:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60796) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aZI-0006H5-Qw for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:39:09 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aZD-0000jt-6r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:39:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:39257) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aZD-0000jp-2u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:39:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aZC-0000wd-83 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:39:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31125 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31125-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31125.15235330873572 (code B ref 31125); Thu, 12 Apr 2018 11:39:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31125) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Apr 2018 11:38:07 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aYI-0000vW-0U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:38:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:40747) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aYG-0000uu-1V for 31125@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:38:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aY7-0008Nm-Or for 31125@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:37:58 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:34576) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aY7-0008NT-Ln; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:37:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3562 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1f6aY6-0000r6-Up; Thu, 12 Apr 2018 07:37:55 -0400 In-reply-to: <128680b7-eb89-42ec-9013-a99120d6d8f8@default> (message from Drew Adams on Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:50 -0700 (PDT)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:145135 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2018 21:37:50 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: 31125-done@debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes, I'm aware of that. And that additional, syntactic > meaning of "symbol" in Emacs jargon has little-to-nothing > to do with Lisp symbols. > > A reader won't learn anything about Lisp symbols by > reading that node. On the contrary: s?he will instead > mislearn something untrue that suggests it is about Lisp > symbols but is not. > > A Lisp symbol is not just "a source code token", nor are > Lisp-mode "source code tokens" necessarily Lisp symbols. > Using `forward-symbol' or "symbol search" in Lisp does > not move across or find Lisp symbols. > > It's too bad that Emacs chose to appropriate the term > "symbol" for that other, essentially unrelated meaning. > But it did. It's a shame because Lisp is something > really important to Emacs, and so to Emacs users. And > symbols are something important to Lisp. > > This is what Lisp symbols are about (though they have > additional characteristics): > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbol_(programming) We were talking about the user manual, where the reader is not necessarily a Lisp programmer. For the latter, see "Symbols" in the ELisp manual.