From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31614: Off Topic (was: bug#31614) Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 18:15:52 +0300 Message-ID: <83zi0j7qvr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <30619002-269A-47C4-8EB3-CEACCE55E4C0@scratch.space> <7390947A-8234-4D5C-8738-307C4606C038@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527520504 20243 195.159.176.226 (28 May 2018 15:15:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 15:15:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31614@debbugs.gnu.org To: Van L Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 28 17:15:00 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fNJrP-0005A8-HK for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; 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Mon, 28 May 2018 11:15:59 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Van L on Mon, 28 May 2018 21:05:35 +1000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146636 Archived-At: > From: Van L > Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 21:05:35 +1000 > Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > You are saying that the Texinfo manual uses ASCII quotes, and therefore > > the opening and closing quotes are identical? If so, the place to > > complain about that is the Texinfo mailing list. > > The point of TeX is beautiful typesetting. Yes, it is. But whether makeinfo produces the curved quotes and other non-ASCII characters can be controlled by the Texinfo source files, and the Texinfo project evidently decided not to produce Info files with non-ASCII characters, while Emacs made the opposite decision. So it's their decision, and if you want to convince them to change it, you need to talk to them, as Texinfo is a separate project. > Emacs 26.1-rc1 (NS Port) and Emacs 25.3 (Mac Port) both produce > > 4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d) > > In the below, it is not possible to set > `eval-expression-print-maximum-character’ to `nil’ to > achieve the simple `4’ result. > `M-x customize’ wants a number for 26.1-rc1 and the default is 127. AFAIR, we never had such a feature, and the name of the option even hints that all it controls is the character representation of the integer number, as does its doc string. > The backtrace diff I submitted in another bug needs undoing > because I believe the simple `4' result is better to keep in the earlier lisp intro. I don't think it's a good idea to mix Emacs customization with the Lisp programming introduction. I described the additional representation of the value in a footnote, and I think this is good enough for that place to get the reader past the complication. If we start talking about customizing this display, we will risk losing the main point of that node.