From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#39802: (info "(emacs) Init Rebinding") needs to say it is impossible to unbind local keys Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 14:56:27 +0200 Message-ID: <83zhd2g9ac.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87blplic2s.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85ftex9vc0.fsf@gmail.com> <8736axia2u.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <85d0a19t6i.fsf@gmail.com> <871rqh0w9p.5.fsf@jidanni.org> <87eeug9nov.fsf@gmail.com> <83blpjgnd5.fsf@gnu.org> <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="31180"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org To: Noam Postavsky Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 28 13:57:51 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fDD-00082F-7F for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 13:57:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46554 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fDC-0002a4-AS for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:57:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50413) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCQ-0001fP-TS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:57:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCP-0003gM-Ru for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:57:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:54783) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCP-0003gF-Ox for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:57:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCP-00034o-Me for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:57:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 12:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 39802 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 39802-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B39802.158289461211804 (code B ref 39802); Fri, 28 Feb 2020 12:57:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 39802) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Feb 2020 12:56:52 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60756 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCG-00034K-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:52 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35270) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fCE-000341-Tb for 39802@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:51 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36624) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fC9-0003cI-9P; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3764 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1j7fC5-0002v6-7m; Fri, 28 Feb 2020 07:56:43 -0500 In-reply-to: <877e079gdy.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Noam Postavsky on Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:04:57 -0500) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:176567 Archived-At: > From: Noam Postavsky > Cc: 39802@debbugs.gnu.org, jidanni@jidanni.org > Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 05:04:57 -0500 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> As described in @ref{Local Keymaps}, major modes and minor modes can > >> -define local keymaps. These keymaps are constructed when the mode is > >> -used for the first time in a session. > > > This loses useful information in the sentence that starts with "These > > keymaps". > > I moved that information to the next paragraph: > > + Since a mode's keymaps are not constructed until it has been loaded, I saw it, but that "Since" strikes me as "a bolt out of the blue", because no text before that explained or mentioned this fact. Leaving that sentence in place will then go a long way towards making the "Since" part crystal clear. IOW, in this and similar cases, repetition facilitates understanding, and should not be avoided, because we are dealing with something that won't necessarily be evident to the reader. > (I think "until it has been loaded" is more accurate than "used for the > first time", since the file can be loaded without actually using the > mode defined within.) I'm okay with rephrasing the original sentence along these lines. But I think we should not remove it entirely. (Obviously, this is a minor point.) Thanks.