From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#4477: bug#3465: 23.0.94; feature request: be able to log minibuffer messages Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 21:36:33 +0300 Message-ID: <83zh6m8r4e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <> <<87a8keeufp.fsf@gnus.org>> <<87r3dq248n.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87ziseu7bh.fsf@gnus.org>> <<87zh6pkv4b.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83364hceou.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87k0xtktxc.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83wo1taywj.fsf@gnu.org>> <<871rk1ksob.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83sgchaydm.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87sgchjd9r.fsf@gnus.org>> <<83tuwv9mm2.fsf@gnu.org>> <<87ft8en62j.fsf@gnus.org>> <> <<834kouaa0y.fsf@gnu.org>> <028c363a-e801-4c9a-8ebd-d55180961cf7@default> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="32636"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 3465@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, 4477@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 22 20:37:11 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YO7-0008MM-0s for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:37:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53050 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YO5-0002Qv-SH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51856) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNy-0002QT-Kq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:39907) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNy-000289-C4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:37:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNy-0000RI-AB for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:37:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 4477 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 4477-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B4477.15981214091655 (code B ref 4477); Sat, 22 Aug 2020 18:37:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 4477) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Aug 2020 18:36:49 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51450 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNl-0000Qa-AB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41706) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNk-0000QM-7Y; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41529) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNe-00027X-MS; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:42 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3258 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1k9YNd-0002SS-QW; Sat, 22 Aug 2020 14:36:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: <028c363a-e801-4c9a-8ebd-d55180961cf7@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT)) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:185987 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2020 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 3465@debbugs.gnu.org, bojohan@gnu.org, > 4477@debbugs.gnu.org > > The request is to be able to have `minibuffer-message' > output logged, WITHOUT calling `message'. Why "without"? > It's about simply controlling logging for > `minibuffer-message', totally, completely, independent > of any use of `message'. You want every single call to minibuffer-message to be logged in *Messages*? I'm guessing not, because this would make no sense. If you want to log only _some_ calls to minibuffer-message, then you will have to have special code to request that in those places where you want the minibuffer messages to be logged. I'm saying that you can easily call 'message' in those places, and be done with that. > IOW, please forget about `message'. The request is > for a simple way to (optionally) log output of > `minibuffer-message', just as we do, for example for > `message' output. And without recourse to any call > to `message' - no workaround, just a simple way to > log `minibuffer-message'. We have such a way for > `message' output. The request is for such a way for > `minibuffer-message' output - totally independent > from `message'. You cannot request a feature and then also dictate how it is implemented. The solution I proposed should do what you want without requiring any changes to the core. > > You are already able to do that, AFAICT. > > Not simply. It's simple enough, from where I stand. Certainly so for a minor feature such as this one.