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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A proposal for a friendlier Emacs
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 17:10:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zh5hx5qf.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200922062437.GM6402@protected.rcdrun.com> (message from Jean Louis on Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:24:37 +0300)

> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2020 09:24:37 +0300
> From: Jean Louis <bugs@gnu.support>
> Cc: nicola.manca85@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > I understand that you have no need for this -- but why do you object
> > to it?
> 
> It is changing defaults and facing me and also the new users with
> complexities, in general, it gives an active obligation to the user
> versus the splash screen that does not disturb the user in the
> workflow.

You personally may find it annoying, but please keep in mind that many
applications nowadays offer to take the user through a similar process
first time the application is started after installation.  So I
presume many newcomers to Emacs will not be surprised by that, and
maybe will even expect something like that.

> Emacs in my opinion does not need configuration assistant that user
> has to confront, as user installed Emacs for text editing purposes,

Emacs is not just a text editor, it is a large and rich environment
for many tasks that require text-processing.  Treating it just as a
program for inserting, deleting, and searching text runs the risk of
missing the point of this discussion.

> Editing		    Basic text editing facilities.
> Text		    Support for editing text files.
> 
> Those two customization groups differ in their description only
> slightly if at all, so that is what is not friendly, as user I would
> not see easy difference. If I click on "Editing" I am referring to
> editing of text, if I click on Text, I am referring to editing of
> text.

Actually, "Text" is not (or at least should not be) about editing
text, it is about editing human-readable text (as opposed to
programming language text, for example).  We should probably make that
clear in the group description, and also make sure the packages in
that category are indeed all about human-readable text.

Thank you for pointing out this point of potential confusion.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-09-22 14:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 129+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-17  8:50 A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Nicola Manca
2020-09-17  9:04 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17  9:27   ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17 12:24     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:35       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:22         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:26           ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 13:31             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:34               ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 14:27                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 16:49                   ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-18 18:25                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-18 18:59                       ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-18 19:23                         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19  8:37                           ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19  9:21                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 11:25                           ` Stefan Kangas
2020-09-19 15:09                             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 19:31                               ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 19:59                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 21:37                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  6:22                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-20  7:45                                   ` Ergus via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  8:13                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20  8:25                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-21 17:19                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 12:59                                       ` Ergus
2020-09-22 14:11                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 17:50                                           ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-22 18:08                                             ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-22 19:12                                               ` Colin Baxter
2020-09-19 21:04                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19 21:26                                   ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  6:21                                     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-19  8:30                         ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 15:50                         ` Philip K.
2020-09-20  3:53                     ` 황병희
2020-09-17 13:38             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 12:40       ` Nicholas Savage
2020-09-17 13:22         ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-17 13:28         ` Thibaut Verron
2020-09-17 19:40         ` Mingde (Matthew) Zeng
2020-09-17  9:07 ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-17  9:32   ` Nicola Manca
2020-09-17  9:44     ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-21 20:00       ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22  3:38         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:50           ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-22 21:54             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-23 14:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23 14:16             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 13:22               ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 13:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-25 14:43                   ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:05                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-26  4:35                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-29 17:08                         ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-29 17:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 20:40                             ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 12:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:13                                 ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-01 16:18                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:49                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-01 17:23                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 17:57                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2020-10-02 16:10                                     ` Alexander Adolf
2020-10-02  3:51                                   ` Classifying packages Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  3:38         ` A proposal for a friendlier Emacs Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 20:57           ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-23  3:44             ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-25 12:40               ` Alexander Adolf
2020-09-25 15:22                 ` Drew Adams
2020-09-26  4:33                   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-26 14:29                     ` Drew Adams
2020-09-27  2:43                       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-27 19:49                         ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28  3:49                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-28  4:50                             ` Drew Adams
2020-09-28 22:03                             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  2:32                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29  2:35                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2020-09-29  4:16                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  5:35                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29  5:45                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:24                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-29 15:21                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-10-20 13:07                                           ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-20 15:32                                             ` Jean Louis
2020-10-27  4:32                                               ` Arthur Miller
2020-10-27  7:50                                                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  7:19                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29  7:55                                     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29  8:23                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-29  8:27                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 15:07                                         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-29 14:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 18:36                                     ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-30 19:25                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-30 19:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-01  7:27                                           ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 13:10                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:10                                               ` Robert Pluim
2020-10-01 12:44                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:19                                           ` Jean Louis
2020-10-02  3:51                                           ` Richard Stallman
2020-10-02  6:59                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 14:13                                       ` Jean Louis
2020-10-01 14:48                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:05                                           ` dictionary.el could be included in main stream Emacs - " Jean Louis
2020-10-02 11:40                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-04 17:36                                               ` Torsten Hilbrich
2020-10-01 18:47                                         ` Juri Linkov
2020-09-28 22:05                             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-21 17:07 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22  3:40   ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  6:22     ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2020-09-23  3:43       ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22  6:24     ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:10       ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2020-09-22 14:22         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 14:31           ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 14:52             ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 15:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-22 16:03                 ` Jean Louis
2020-09-22 16:33                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-23  3:41           ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-22 15:44         ` Jean Louis
2020-09-23  3:41         ` Richard Stallman
2020-09-23 14:21           ` Eli Zaretskii

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