From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36729: 27.0.50; Unclear total in directory listing Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 15:14:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83zh4y8c7c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <048FD91B-CDA0-4444-8F6F-C5B2F5C595CD@acm.org> <83k1ceusn1.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgr2887n.fsf@gmx.net> <871rjyn5hn.fsf@gnus.org> <87mu2hen02.fsf@gmx.net> <87r1qa4pct.fsf@gnus.org> <838scia2zu.fsf@gnu.org> <84AFB7F6-D925-4552-A165-927996C1C7B6@acm.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19665"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, stephen.berman@gmx.net, 36729@debbugs.gnu.org To: Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 07 14:16:17 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8Mh-0004wC-G1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 14:16:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60296 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8Mg-0005Bi-Gp for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:16:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:39640) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8MU-0005Ab-Lu for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43959) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8MU-0003tS-By for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8MU-0007bF-6N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 12:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36729 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 36729-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36729.160207291529130 (code B ref 36729); Wed, 07 Oct 2020 12:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36729) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2020 12:15:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8Li-0007Zm-M1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:15:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60894) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8LS-0007Yf-RD for 36729@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43840) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8LL-0003dm-M3; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:14:53 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1422 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kQ8LB-000344-Ty; Wed, 07 Oct 2020 08:14:48 -0400 In-Reply-To: <84AFB7F6-D925-4552-A165-927996C1C7B6@acm.org> (message from Mattias =?UTF-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= on Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:03:39 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:190018 Archived-At: > From: Mattias Engdegård > Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2020 12:03:39 +0200 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , stephen.berman@gmx.net, > 36729@debbugs.gnu.org > > 7 okt. 2020 kl. 09.50 skrev Eli Zaretskii : > > > I no longer understand what we are trying to solve here. > > A bit lost here myself, but it seems that no real progress has been made and that the original problem (how to display a meaningful 'total' value in dired) is still at hand. Yes. > However given the apparent constraints (running an external 'ls' binary with unclear semantics; uncountable platform variations; user-settable 'ls' switches; sensitivity to environment variables; localised output; &c &c) I don't think it can be solved in any reasonable way. I therefore propose closing the bug as 'wontfix'. You mean, we cannot even say in what units those numbers are measured? AFAIU, the missing units were the original motivation for the bug report.