From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : New key binding syntax Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 18:50:44 +0200 Message-ID: <83zgq1wgpn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org> <4371985.yOQEpiRy8s@galex-713.eu> <834k89xzdd.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20341"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com, galex-713@galex-713.eu, rms@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 18 17:51:33 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mnkdI-00053e-Kc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 17:51:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37676 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnkdH-0001eK-Mk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:51:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33488) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnkcg-0000y6-4V for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:50:54 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58400 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnkcf-0002R0-AE; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:50:53 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=XRxa59bmQoxvDvjlqTrtKlKFy9Er9rZf/b3mVhRuOwE=; b=DU3oglBenzi437fjq4U6 d3/rGqZwIz5jlZQ3BmN9RY2HWEzzpXQYgNFvwH4A69gdh013bOvRrOTqcUhMUtu12/v5m2ymBhewP M/bX1FBLWqGpgfKHvUqEd/jBbpO9qLLfbNvqlb/gVeAFSaDswCsOY0HjW2oGSMFMWu30CCCEbW82L aJq3PXwEUGRlgqV/ziGHismqdn3QjqIhy6TkgwqQighC+aS2SRUDDi8KHuPgQj7pN8+6QNO8bLjD+ 8nOKhgAVzM1vCgrtZ8b2zP6/TiqBB9wONj1yqyjM4p93R75WP4zDOM/0jz30yY4eJZjQghqHwtHXT KcK5ETBY1KU/1g==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4015 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mnkcZ-0006jZ-3A; Thu, 18 Nov 2021 11:50:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Yuri Khan on Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:39:06 +0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:279685 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2021 22:39:06 +0700 > Cc: Alexandre Garreau , Stefan Kangas , > Richard Stallman , Drew Adams , > Emacs developers > > On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 at 22:22, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > How do you work in Emacs with a keyboard that generates Cyrillic > > characters? All the commands are in English, responses to prompts are > > also in English, etc. Don't you switch the keyboard language to > > English anyway? > > I do, when I need to type text in English. Shell commands count as > English text. Single-key bindings in Dired, Ctrl+letter and Alt+letter > sequences do not. So you deliberately switch to Cyrillic when you in Dired? > In Gedit, the key Ctrl+S saves the document no matter whether > pressing the key S would produce the character s or the character ы. Why is that an Emacs problem? E.g., on MS-Windows this happens to me in any program. So maybe your accusations are misdirected, and should be redirected to the OS handling of the keyboard? > > IOW, it sounds like the path to the "ideal world" is a tad longer than > > just binding keys in Dired. > > In Emacs, it is. For historical terminal-related reasons. Nonsense.