From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Development Speed Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 18:42:04 +0200 Message-ID: <83zgoswq03.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83r1a4yfpt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5865"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 22 17:43:15 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n04hu-0001Jo-VA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 17:43:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60788 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n04ht-0006TT-T4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:43:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36270) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n04gj-0005K1-4D for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:42:01 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=46250 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n04gi-0007XV-QH; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:42:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=/JRfq1Dgq7k7S1zNLB2lZt0x79H3mMu9fi1jQPP1oA8=; b=l+D70daYmPVrdwr+/YTP Spe3GAPq14TSBzSKDGgNJlAmgjawbDuxdQOP8k8biiLo83xh6WlbOl7SU1QrykGkRW4l2qgnoSD+8 4MHAlLRvYcBWnn5Tfss51vw3A3bhuHURXseprpssnHoL4kY45zpmTuAR5TeA42t8ulWins0ErfsbT sx85h1FkhuLQzEmsc+uDJcEGtjvvd0sCvaq8/rtW4b4iNcYt+qQdncWI2PtvYR6yorB6OZXQp+htu niLsBPHnuzB8U02CfWPMqD7ewfcqaqsRCiKFgv7nfHm6OYHMz9fw1c0tRG9d/YTNZYgU5zoEHOIG8 EorNVHSmgPyfFg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4244 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n04gi-00064g-NK; Wed, 22 Dec 2021 11:42:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282782 Archived-At: > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 16:21:29 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > If you show the code that you tried... > > My example was finding out that I couldn't create a minibuffer frame > from terminal, either to use it as the second background frame in the > terminal, or possibly to display it in a second terminal or GNU Screen > side by side. How did you try doing that? Can you show some simple Lisp that I could try? > > No, there should be (ideally) only one set. Applications should be > > free from dealing with this distinction as much as possible. > > IIRC there are other features like (images? svg? videos?) > that which suggest that terminal and graphical interfaces are already > diverged and have different capabilities, as they should, by their > nature.  Otherwise, why have functions like "display-graphic-p"? For the few situations where the ideal is not really achievable. But that those exist doesn't mean we gave up on the ideal, just that we are realists.