From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#51210: Customizable other-window-for-scrolling Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:51:41 +0200 Message-ID: <83zgo04trm.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878ryvh6bz.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <861r1v1foe.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <96d50c26-ea56-5ff6-3cc3-25652d744ca4@gmx.at> <86o84revzi.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86y23vo0zx.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86sftunptq.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86a6g2ktel.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <86mtk2jdwy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czky6noe.fsf@gnu.org> <86r19crftb.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <8335ls69cy.fsf@gnu.org> <86y23kpwlf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24146"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 51210@debbugs.gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 12 20:52:33 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jfd-00063x-3A for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 20:52:33 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44592 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jfb-00007E-IU for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:52:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35478) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jf8-000073-3x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:52:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:38064) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jf7-0006BT-Qj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:52:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jf7-0004eJ-QW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:52:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 19:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 51210 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 51210-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B51210.164201711317857 (code B ref 51210); Wed, 12 Jan 2022 19:52:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 51210) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jan 2022 19:51:53 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59200 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jez-0004dx-Bs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:51:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34704) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jex-0004di-3Z for 51210@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:51:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=55354 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jer-00065v-K5; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:51:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=JmOnsH902PBWJPO8iOvjWoh30NKWlbk+5ZFTaaV94Pc=; b=jYOTivJHYFG0 5nvHkdKLIWfYsoG5BBLGh8MUY+OdyyOD0Vo2e8gFecdKH+9tvx/GVdl3J8PO8yOsYFtkZavh0y4a8 IZmkpLdBALeBwkOxm3Jr6eDwArDN+UxGfRGJm69sXHZynVxc2OhKZfQv3To+qTTi8eqyfgC7z96P/ uh2LRWQy597YVZpmwWqqPMu48x6cBQsYb9DuXyQ8wJnsuhG1j//+9gIymyFELPpbVvUf27On+WCTW ntGxHpv2OaNV9/D5rsG24c1rXXv+dDglXV5Jt5qD35nqDDVAeWPAKI5D8uYm93DpMEsVyjHG6rIY4 Iq7pTL2yrPR8STT19vDDHg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3882 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n7jer-0005h6-MT; Wed, 12 Jan 2022 14:51:46 -0500 In-Reply-To: <86y23kpwlf.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:45:00 +0200) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:224037 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 51210@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2022 21:45:00 +0200 > > >> > This is age-old behavior. Why change it because you happen to dislike > >> > it? > >> > >> The problem is that with its current implementation, it's unusable: > >> when the window height is 75 lines, then typing M- leaves > >> half-screen empty. > > > > If you start typing at the end of the buffer, the half-empty window > > will immediately make sense. > > You can't start typing because it's in another window. Fortunately, Emacs has this "C-x o" command that fixes that small problem. > > Are you using scroll-conservatively, perhaps? If so, I can understand > > why you don't like this behavior. But that's your subjective opinion, > > and I see no reason to change this by default. > > This problem is reproducible in emacs -Q: I think you misunderstood me. I was trying to explain to myself why you don't like the default behavior. > >> But fortunately this can be fixed since Emacs 28 introduced a new key > >> C-M-S-l to recenter the other window, so it's now easy to type it > >> when the user needs to recenter the other window. > > > > Great. > > So everyone who wants to recenter, can type: 'M- M-C-S-l'. I object to changing this behavior by default.