From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#59141: 28.1.90; Face :extend when all the line but trailing \n is invisible Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 09:10:29 +0200 Message-ID: <83zgczs2sa.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qqcdfvr.fsf@localhost> <83cz9wux9l.fsf@gnu.org> <87o7tfkby9.fsf@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="12788"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 59141@debbugs.gnu.org, yantar92@posteo.net To: =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 10 08:11:12 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1iS-00039o-CY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 08:11:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1iJ-0007kQ-OG; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:11:03 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1iI-0007fj-0z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:11:02 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1iH-0004bh-OD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:11:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1iH-0000nY-K6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:11:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 07:11:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59141 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 59141-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59141.16680642473048 (code B ref 59141); Thu, 10 Nov 2022 07:11:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 59141) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2022 07:10:47 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41731 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1i3-0000n6-59 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:10:47 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58242) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1i1-0000mu-Ii for 59141@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:10:46 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1hv-0004Yn-Df; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:10:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=SmSLaH1n7RmTsrSb56JP9uJvYOo2sSFC5lJ+9JrXKg4=; b=GeHMhEOZGtLe/VICNgo2 B/cke9yPBUJEmkW+HNcmBwME69QJdIRJZyL3VexjKmuaX+9x6HraTICUMkWLJYYiGRiVUuOV9ZLnb /b6GybmyaQnWSKXtOOFlgrPBWnMesQlf1tO8haZV4ytodb0SUdXQogIKgNb4Ts375G+an6pZbuNV3 7FJSdtw0iLQJIAikr5QKu6c0ntR8Vo3wSrXUxkofhtd788tlR67z3kKBQ8GOc0mxWOvjgftks91WL aJSop39taWu1TbO96P9J8RKWACM7aBxqNXswyPAwRsRs7NaqELv3PO2xGccmo8vcLxZ1LM95TOmA3 j4FdiBw7ZfPzZw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ot1hm-0000Eq-2l; Thu, 10 Nov 2022 02:10:39 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87o7tfkby9.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec on Wed, 09 Nov 2022 23:19:42 +0100) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:247483 Archived-At: > From: Kévin Le Gouguec > Cc: Ihor Radchenko , 59141@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2022 23:19:42 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I said many times that people shouldn't willy-nilly use the :extent > > attribute, just because it looks cooler in some situation. The intent > > was and still is for faces not to have this attribute set, with very > > few very special exceptions, like the 'region' face. But people don't > > listen... > > FWIW, my motivation for setting :extend on outline headings doesn't stem > from aesthetics. > > Clearly delineating "sections" with colored backgrounds that span the > whole window width is a neat visual aid, IME; Do you see a contradiction between the last two sentences? Aren't "neat visual aid" and "aesthetics" synonyms? > So this "visual aid" aspect is why I suspect reporters think being able > to :extend outline heading backgrounds is about as desirable as > :extending the hl-line or region faces, and it's a shame it breaks down > when folding. My suggestion is to use "other means" for such cues. Especially if you want to have that in modes that hide text, such as Org. The :extend attribute wasn't intended to support this usage. > It's not a critical feature to be missing, and that motivation does not > invalidate the implementation challenges you highlight. I just wanted > to spell this point out FTR, as I didn't feel "it looks cooler" conveyed > it quite as convincingly 🙂 I don't see the difference, really. "Cool" isn't a derogatory adjective, or at least I didn't mean it to be so.