From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: text formating Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2023 09:30:30 +0200 Message-ID: <83zg9vurxl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <3b5f0e6f-fba9-400c-da28-a63de55649a8@posteo.de> <5dfdd6d1-ffe3-668a-4c4e-247d563eaec0@posteo.de> <83y1pgw35y.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27782"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Feb 03 08:31:40 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pNqXr-00072P-SC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 08:31:40 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNqX6-0005ZT-An; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 02:30:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNqWh-0005Xa-Ty for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 02:30:28 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNqWh-0007GA-Jb for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 02:30:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Sf9C9zhtuvekiVFfeGfssr66QBlqsYe5se7AQppsGsg=; b=nQuODTEzt+77LkpsDJ44 y5NESUN89KF1icWr6p5cRcG8yw4BY9eogOHDAnac1xipKouw3SRFiNdXfNlFEwmymlBMsHA0yS2oW 2vvS/PZbmzZqGsuQo+eSsTQUCeZLVgdqoycAOMW90PVI7lX6Am37PlUYngfXRcQZ+gaBT9lr8DM7t osBpcTyO7jqmsgaPV05nsL6YDEksitoPW8WP7CTAk//qjmfhZEfO4SOjZRMSsDJip5ISxeRRsgUGG Q0KZ1dqEbnngX2V0ugzi3wDRqxRLyluRbW7eMqPaJs09NaODtL08Txk7oUuupP5EikqWvJzDlsdRo nvNYiAY05ebtUw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pNqWg-0004ey-TJ for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2023 02:30:27 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Thu, 2 Feb 2023 23:12:29 +0300) X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.help:142584 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 23:12:29 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii < [2023-02-02 17:31]: > > > Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2023 13:52:22 +0000 > > > From: Gottfried < > > > > > > I don't understand why until now nobody made in Emacs a > > > WYSIWYG Mode. > > > > They did: it's called Enriched mode. > > By reference from: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG > > In computing, WYSIWYG (/ˈwɪziwɪɡ/ WIZ-ee-wig), an acronym for What You > See Is What You Get,[1] is a system in which editing software allows > content to be edited in a form that resembles its appearance when > printed or displayed as a finished product,[2] such as a printed > document, web page, or slide presentation. WYSIWYG implies a user > interface that allows the user to view something very similar to the > end result while the document is being created.[3] In general, WYSIWYG > implies the ability to directly manipulate the layout of a document > without having to type or remember names of layout commands. Thank you for the lecture. I surely needed it. > Enriched mode is far from there. > > At least user should be able to get same printed representation even > if font sizes are not changed. If you are talking specifically about WYSIWYG printing, then yes, we still aren't where we should be, especially with non-ASCII text; patches welcome. But the OP didn't mention that, so this is not necessarily what was the issue.