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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: emacs-29 9b775ddc057 1/2: ; * etc/EGLOT-NEWS: Fix wording of last change.
Date: Sat, 06 May 2023 13:53:03 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83zg6hg29c.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <715cdac6-83f6-6907-2ff8-3b33381f3487@gutov.dev> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sat, 6 May 2023 13:46:26 +0300)

> Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:46:26 +0300
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dmitry@gutov.dev>
> 
> On 06/05/2023 13:35, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Sat, 6 May 2023 13:14:32 +0300
> >> From: Dmitry Gutov<dmitry@gutov.dev>
> >>
> >> On 06/05/2023 09:44, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >>> +using the more general command 'package-install', which by default
> >>> +will not upgrade "built-in" packages, those that come with Emacs.
> >> Friendly reminder: while 'M-x package-install' does not upgrade
> >> "built-in" packages "by default", it doesn't upgrade any other packages
> >> at all, ever.
> > Really? so what does package-install do?
> 
> 'M-x package-install' installs a package if it's not already installed.
> 
> >> I'd hate to create an impression in some users that 'package-install' is
> >> a suitable instrument to upgrade packages.
> > It isn't? then what is it for?
> 
> See above.
> 
> It also _can_ install a newer version of the package if the first 
> argument is of type 'package-desc', but that's basically an internal 
> overload, not something that can be user interactively, or easily in the 
> init script. BTW, the value of package-install-upgrade-built-in has no 
> effect on that "overload".

I'm surprised, to say the least.  To recap:

  . the entire discussion of bug#62720, of which this is fallout, was
    about allowing package-install to upgrade Eglot, and according to
    João, that's what package-install did before Emacs 29.  Was this
    all based on a mistake? if so, why no one has said so in all that
    long argument??
  . the text I changed also talks about package-install, and yet you
    didn't object to it, why?

So please forgive me if I don't quite believe my eyes when I read your
messages in this matter.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-05-06 10:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20230506064443.56C75C22F15@vcs2.savannah.gnu.org>
2023-05-06 10:14   ` emacs-29 9b775ddc057 1/2: ; * etc/EGLOT-NEWS: Fix wording of last change Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 10:35     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 10:46       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 10:53         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-05-06 13:03           ` João Távora
2023-05-06 13:22             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 13:48               ` João Távora
2023-05-06 14:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 14:45                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 15:28                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 15:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 15:44                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 15:54                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 16:40                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 18:44                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:08                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07  7:43                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-06 19:15                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 19:14                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 19:38                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 20:31                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-06 20:52                             ` João Távora
2023-05-07  5:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07  8:46                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07  9:32                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 17:16                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 18:32                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 19:24                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 19:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07 19:44                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-08 11:19                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12 12:35                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 11:20                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 13:34                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-08 13:44                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10  6:59                                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 11:03                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 14:06                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-10 15:02                                                       ` Ruijie Yu via Emacs development discussions.
2023-05-11  7:29                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-10 22:19                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-11  7:26                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-11  9:43                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-11 10:46                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-12  6:43                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-05-07 20:36                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-08 11:24                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-08 21:39                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-12 12:34                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-07  9:50                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-05-07 10:55                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-05-06 16:58                 ` João Távora

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