From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Unhelpful text in C-h v search-default-mode Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:50:42 +0200 Message-ID: <83zfxt5twt.fsf@gnu.org> References: <86frzlv6fy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="27175"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juri Linkov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 29 08:51:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rJ7eh-0006sL-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:51:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rJ7dw-0001aT-71; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 02:50:56 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rJ7dv-0001aF-9t for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 02:50:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rJ7du-0007WQ-Al; Fri, 29 Dec 2023 02:50:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jvmlwHCGEwrFwguMDRbDHMzdRURvT7Yr/5WrAq40LpM=; b=sIWx1FCCFNhH 9MNDhZzdSaTDoyO92Hc9RmDbgPhJw7QAN3mL2nFLKmnx26VQLiIhqboYj9vbx1hIJXf7l2eIPOU+a wYZOc13aQQTWT2n0tiS+0kG6MssWV8G72FupTACtIGwPbHKs1XEP1GfQxHKig9TeAu5gfRBSo25Q3 bStmRhQnlyM1UmI9aBwXAEt2Z0+P8AyplmJ9S0kseHhSzpYEVIEqu5WKxlfAFM8OsMLBkT4FYQdW+ Tr7ACwSfZtrDKkr1d0PMXEeui/UVif1r6fxViao/qF71HYwGfNEj86ZReTHihfpEX9FAsssqH9s78 nb1hggwmA5a5sUZKPDHS4g==; In-Reply-To: <86frzlv6fy.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (message from Juri Linkov on Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:12:49 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:314313 Archived-At: > From: Juri Linkov > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2023 09:12:49 +0200 > > > In a recent master branch Emacs, (not with -Q), from an info buffer, I > > did C-h v search-default-mode. The text printed in *Help* included this: > > > > Its value is > > # > > Original value was nil > > Local in buffer *info*<3>; global value is nil > > > > .. This is quite frankly entirely unhelpful; it gives no way to find out > > what the lambda is, in particular, no way to get to its source code. It > > isn't even possible to disassemble the function. > > Another example: > > 0. emacs -Q > 1. M-x list-timers > > * 0.1s t show-paren-function > * 0.5s t # > > I wonder how users are supposed to know what function it is? > Searching by the delay number 0.5 reveals this lambda comes from > > (setq jit-lock-context-timer > (run-with-idle-timer jit-lock-context-time t > (lambda () > (unless jit-lock--antiblink-grace-timer > (jit-lock-context-fontify))))) > What happens with that in a build without native-compilation? does what list-timers shows in that case look more friendly?