From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Efforts to attract more users? Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:22:28 +0300 Message-ID: <83y6dgsuln.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871vb9k0ob.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wrt1i1qt.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83d3utt8ko.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1278941086 691 80.91.229.12 (12 Jul 2010 13:24:46 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 13:24:46 +0000 (UTC) Cc: lekktu@gmail.com, stephen@xemacs.org, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 12 15:24:42 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIzy-0004Jq-Fe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 15:24:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37439 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYIzx-0003ec-Qh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:41 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=54472 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OYIzo-0003c8-Or for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIzn-0006tg-Hk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:61463) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OYIzn-0006tO-B0; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 09:24:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L5G00G004ZQFH00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:24:29 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.120.144]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L5G00G2K58S9B10@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 12 Jul 2010 16:24:29 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:127103 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: stephen@xemacs.org, lekktu@gmail.com, lennart.borgman@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2010 08:37:06 -0400 > > You can look at other people's patches the same way. There is nothing > wrong, in principle, with cleaning up someone else's patch. It just > takes work, and it may or may not be the way you want to contribute. > > In the end, if a person refuses to reformat or adapt his own patch, > that doesn't make it impossible for us to use the patch, but does make > it expensive. Sometimes someone else will decide to do this work for > him, but usually not. The refusal will surely result in few of his > patches' being installed, and when they are, it will be at the cost of > more work for the rest of us. So it will mean he effectively > contributes much less -- that is why it is unfortunate. I agree and support everything you say above. > But we have no reason to treat it as all or nothing. No such decision was made, definitely not by me. I was just explaining why things might end up this way even if no such decision was made.