From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: imagemagic in image-mode and image-dired-thumbnail-mode? Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:50:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83y5973jqp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a9lp8uxk.fsf@gmail.com> <87ehb1bbvf.fsf@gmail.com> <83ehb052k1.fsf@gnu.org> <8761wctq5i.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <834nbw4ehp.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjtos7ex.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373903485 13793 80.91.229.3 (15 Jul 2013 15:51:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 15:51:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: larsi@gnus.org, spinuvit@gmail.com, joakim@verona.se, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Jul 15 17:51:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyl3U-00042X-Qj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 17:51:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53643 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyl3U-0007c8-G2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:51:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53391) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyl3O-0007aK-Cp for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:51:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyl3K-0000Tv-Ks for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:51:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:40546) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Uyl3K-0000Sy-CN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 11:51:06 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MPZ00100IM73P00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:50:36 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MPZ000SZIOBA4A0@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Mon, 15 Jul 2013 18:50:36 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87zjtos7ex.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161907 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, > spinuvit@gmail.com, > joakim@verona.se, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2013 14:45:26 +0900 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > Eli, are you proposing to do the work yourself? > > > > You know very well that if I did, I would not be speaking here, but > > instead coding and committing. > > Really? Given several people who are interested in this feature > although unable to do significant work on it at the moment? I didn't > realize you were an advocate of "last commit wins". ;-) Last commit always wins. > > I don't disagree with the principle, but the results are evidently not > > very satisfactory. > > Image libraries suck, that's part of life. How many PNG crashes and > GIF crashes have been fixed upstream? How many of these libraries > have undocumented restrictions on arguments or image formats that > people have had to guess at over the years? How many more of those > undocumented restrictions will have to be deduced in order to add > features like scaling, one at a time? I don't know the details, but I > can tell you that over the last ten years, as far as those affecting > XEmacs go, the answers are "lots", "all of them", and "dunno, but past > experience doesn't allow me to be optimistic". As a matter of fact, my experience with image libraries used by Emacs is very positive. I don't think I ever had any crash related to that. > > You didn't mention scaling, which seems to be the trigger for this > > thread. > > Other people mentioned it, so I didn't think I needed to. :-) OK, but that's the gist of this thread, IMO. Scaling is an important feature needed by eww and whatnot, so we should try to have a stable implementation, one way or another.