From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:28:16 +0200 Message-ID: <83y52dk82n.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390033710 8916 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 08:28:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 08:28:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Per =?iso-8859-1?Q?Starb=E4ck?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 09:28:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4RGd-0005O7-0M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 09:28:35 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41599 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4RGc-0001Ql-FF for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:28:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35406) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4RGV-0001Pf-El for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:28:32 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4RGQ-00024y-5e for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:28:27 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:37633) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4RGK-000233-Bx; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:28:16 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MZL00E008U84K00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:28:14 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MZL00D9Y8V2YO50@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:28:14 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168653 Archived-At: > Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 00:13:50 +0100 > From: Per Starb=E4ck > Cc: David Kastrup , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" >=20 > Richard wrote: >=20 > > Emacs is never going to be as easy to learn as simple > > editors, because ease of learning is not its priority. > > The priority is effective editing for people willing to learn. > > We won't sacrifice that goal for ease of learning. >=20 > I find this remark about "simple editors" interesting, not just in > terms of Emacs, but of the whole GNU system. I have always thought > of GNU Emacs as *the* editor in GNU, that is the default editor. Do > you think a GNU system ideally instead should have some other > ("simple") editor as the default editor? That's not what Richard was saying, not at all. There could very wel= l be a "simple" editor that is part of the GNU project (perhaps there i= s one already). No one said the GNU project must have only one editor.