From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#17362: 24.4.50; inconsistent key notation: `ESC' vs `' Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:55:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4ynle63.fsf@gnu.org> References: <47b1a857-a5d6-4e5a-b8f6-f96f9e201c89@default> <83fvkwmagn.fsf@gnu.org> <4294927c-08b3-4c65-83e4-1582e8d0d859@default> <838uqom7lm.fsf@gnu.org> <8361lsm3b6.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398826528 19360 80.91.229.3 (30 Apr 2014 02:55:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 02:55:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 17362@debbugs.gnu.org To: Josh Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 30 04:55:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKg4-0002BO-JM for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 04:55:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54477 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKg4-0005iW-6d for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:55:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48210) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfx-0005iG-BY for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:55:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfn-0005ny-EW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:55:13 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:56720) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfn-0005nQ-8l for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:55:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfl-00067j-V1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:55:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 02:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 17362 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 17362-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B17362.139882650023527 (code B ref 17362); Wed, 30 Apr 2014 02:55:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 17362) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Apr 2014 02:55:00 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfj-00067P-Ka for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:54:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:39220) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WfKfh-000672-0u for 17362@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2014 22:54:57 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N4T00500PFA8X00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 17362@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:54:50 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N4T004WIPFDP4A0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Wed, 30 Apr 2014 05:54:50 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:88472 Archived-At: > From: Josh > Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2014 14:55:30 -0700 > Cc: Drew Adams , 17362@debbugs.gnu.org > > Sorry to be mentioning this after you committed your changes, but I > wanted to comment about the impact of these changes on new users. > Difficulty specifying key bindings correctly is fairly common among > newer users, and I think that this difficulty is worsened by > occurrences in the documentation of non-canonical (with respect to > kbd arguments) key notation. There's an EmacsWiki page[0] about key > binding notation that reads in part, "Use C-h k to find out how Emacs > describes the key sequence, and copy & paste that into your kbd > string." It would be good if the info manual used the same notation. I agreed that it would probably be good, but I don't see how this goal could be achieved in practice, given that the user manual's main goal is not to explain how to change key bindings, but rather how to use the existing ones.