From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18051: 24.3.92; ls-lisp: Sorting; make ls-lisp-string-lessp a normal function? Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:14:32 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4vo4fbr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ha2f5gp8.fsf@web.de> <838unr6ttu.fsf@gnu.org> <871ttj5dfi.fsf@web.de> <87iomvhvdg.fsf@gmx.de> <834myf6mfl.fsf@gnu.org> <87a987ht5r.fsf@gmx.de> <83y4vq6cz3.fsf@gnu.org> <87tx6c7f5v.fsf@web.de> <8338dw5zrf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhro7dp4.fsf@web.de> <83zjg44jzd.fsf@gnu.org> <87wqb8mqqv.fsf@web.de> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1405844124 5045 80.91.229.3 (20 Jul 2014 08:15:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:15:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 18051@debbugs.gnu.org To: Michael Heerdegen Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jul 20 10:15:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mH6-0000fi-JY for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 10:15:16 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56824 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mH6-00044I-50 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:15:16 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36169) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGy-0003zT-G1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:15:13 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGt-00085W-9x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:15:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:36454) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGt-00085I-6n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:15:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGs-0002jH-8Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:15:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18051 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18051-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18051.140584408810457 (code B ref 18051); Sun, 20 Jul 2014 08:15:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18051) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jul 2014 08:14:48 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59953 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGe-0002ia-5B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:14:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:37430) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X8mGb-0002iL-1F for 18051@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 04:14:46 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N90005003RUL000@mtaout26.012.net.il> for 18051@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:10:37 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N9000N3T41PIW90@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 20 Jul 2014 11:10:37 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87wqb8mqqv.fsf@web.de> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:91687 Archived-At: > From: Michael Heerdegen > Cc: michael.albinus@gmx.de, 18051@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2014 09:30:32 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Why is it important to you to know that the file is a symlink, if you > > always want to change its target? > > That's what I want for file modes - but still I want to know/see what > I'm doing! But the same problem exists with the size, the time stamp, the UID/GID, the inode -- you name it. I fail to see how seeing the mode bits of the target is important, but the same is not true for the rest of the attributes. Or are you just saying that you want to see the attributes of the target, and _also_ the fact that the file is a symlink? > And it makes a difference in the organization of the file system. You > can use symlinks as some kind of shortcut to move within the file system > more quickly. It makes a difference if you remove a shortcut or if you > erase a whole directory with all its files from your hard drive. It > also makes a difference when you think you make a local change, and > actually cause changes "somewhere else" in the file system. This just means that we should have an easy way of switching between the -L view and the non-L view. Would that solve the problem?