From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Further CC-mode changes Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:20:23 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4ti3e88.fsf@gnu.org> References: <53632C6F.5070903@dancol.org> <20140511211351.GC2759@acm.acm> <536FEA43.5090402@dancol.org> <20140516175226.GB3267@acm.acm> <537653A0.2070109@dancol.org> <20140518213331.GB2577@acm.acm> <20140912235948.GA4045@acm.acm> <20140913151055.GB3431@acm.acm> <87vboo2rgk.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87wq93ve4p.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87egvb2kye.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <831tra4y68.fsf@gnu.org> <87tx4620uv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410938488 12603 80.91.229.3 (17 Sep 2014 07:21:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 07:21:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 17 09:21:21 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XU9YG-0004xR-KJ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 09:21:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42434 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU9YG-0002Dh-7p for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:21:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56891) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU9Xh-0001m6-OY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:20:51 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU9Xb-00028G-Om for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:20:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout28.012.net.il ([80.179.55.184]:45240) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XU9XR-00027E-86; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 03:20:29 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout28.012.net.il by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NC100K00AWWY300@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:19:21 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout28.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NC100K2HB08E810@mtaout28.012.net.il>; Wed, 17 Sep 2014 10:19:21 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87tx4620uv.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.184 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174400 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:54:32 +0900 > Cc: dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I consider those both to support my claim Why am I not surprised? > which is that if it reduces the amount of work he needs to do to > achieve a unit of Emacs development in the future, he's in favor of > investing both his time, and users' time and inconvenience, in the > change. If somebody else does the same, but it inconveniences him, > he complains. That's *ironic*, no matter how dedicated Glenn may be > to Emacs development. This is gross misrepresentation of Glenn's work and attitude, mixed with mislabeling a natural behavior of a project developer as "ironically" wrong.