From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bundling GNU ELPA packages Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:53:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83y4rorqyu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878ujowbnh.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> <87sihwm8jj.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> <83389wt8l8.fsf@gnu.org> <87k338m59p.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415307217 10172 80.91.229.3 (6 Nov 2014 20:53:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 20:53:37 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 06 21:53:30 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XmU3d-0005LA-PW for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:53:29 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56012 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmU3d-0004Jo-A1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:53:29 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52631) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmU3V-0004Jf-Bh for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:53:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmU3Q-0007HM-6J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:53:21 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:33735) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XmU3P-0007Gv-V2; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 15:53:16 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NEM00D00X9D6F00@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:45:59 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NEM00BCPXONGZ30@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Thu, 06 Nov 2014 22:45:59 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87k338m59p.fsf@thinkpad-t440p.tsdh.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176490 Archived-At: > From: Tassilo Horn > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 21:40:50 +0100 > > Ok, I can understand bundling org and gnus because they've previously > been built-in. But when we now start bundling even more packages, those > are the next that can never ever be removed for that very same reason. > If their maintainers are hit by a truck, then you and the other Emacs > devs will have to take over. Ditto if such a package is superseeded by > some better alternative. This is true to some extent, but it is not a catastrophe, and is nowhere a kind of Catholic marriage. Package maintainers do disappear, and we did take over some of the packages over the years. Eventually, if a package ceases to be maintained, it is superseded and retired into 'obsolete' (or maybe now it will actually be removed). > Just saying: if a package is distributed with emacs, that's a kind of > guarantee that it'll still be there in the next decades to come. Which I think is a Good Thing. We don't accept packages into the bundle easily, which guarantees that they are generally useful, and will therefore be popular with high probability.