From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: eller.helmut@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 18:58:40 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83y4o57lfj.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874mqtsoqy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, eller.helmut@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, rms@gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 17:41:25 +0100
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
>
> >> As far as I remember, company-mode had working code for LLVM-based
> >> completion.
> >
> > So? It's working code, isn't it? Anyone can use it, can't they?
>
> The difference between a package being in ELPA and having to be
> installed manually significantly changes its adoption and audience.
The importance and the functionality of a package also plays a
significant role in its adoption.
> > And, FWIW, from my POV supporting LLDB is not an important issue,
> > certainly nowhere as important as making Emacs more like modern IDEs.
>
> Uh, there is a connection. Because modern IDEs tend to have useful
> program information when debugging instead of (optimized out).
Compile with -Og (which should be the default anyway), and you have
that with GCC/GDB as well.
> > When LLDB gets anywhere near GDB in functionality and usability, let
> > alone surpasses it, maybe then I might get interested.
>
> Seems you missed where people stated that its willingness to talk about
> values that can only be deduced by cooperation with the compiler was
> making a crucial difference in usability over gdb.
I don't think what you say is true.
> At any rate, you seem to be _totally_ on the other side of Richard on
> this one. You want to start thinking about LLDB when it is getting more
> useful than GDB
Not _when_, _if_.
> >> > Free Software is about freedom of developers as well.
> >>
> >> Not at its core.
> >
> > Yes, at its core: the freedom to change the code requires a developer
> > who can actually do that.
>
> <URL:http://www.gnu.org/gnu/manifesto.html>
>
> You'll find that wherever conflicts of interest between users and
> programmers are considered, Richard puts the users' interests first.
Irrelevant.
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Thread overview: 124+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-02-05 7:46 Contributing LLVM.org patches to gud.el Andrew L. Moore
2015-02-05 8:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-05 14:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-06 12:41 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 12:49 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-06 18:21 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 8:46 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 10:18 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 11:42 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-07 11:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 3:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-15 22:50 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-16 5:19 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-16 16:23 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 11:21 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 14:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-09 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 2:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-10 3:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 8:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 16:41 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 16:58 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-02-11 3:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 3:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 10:37 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 10:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-11 13:22 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 16:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 16:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 17:42 ` Daniel Colascione
2015-02-12 20:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 23:12 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 15:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 15:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 4:20 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 11:23 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 13:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 4:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-11 7:44 ` Nicholas Allegra
2015-02-11 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-11 16:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 16:27 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 5:41 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-12 18:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 17:03 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 17:36 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:25 ` David Engster
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:35 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:12 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 18:07 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-10 20:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-09 22:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:00 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-07 14:46 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:40 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 23:04 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-08 0:15 ` Eric S. Raymond
2015-02-08 0:51 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 20:04 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 16:17 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:37 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-12 11:22 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-12 14:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-12 17:34 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-13 10:11 ` Tom
2015-02-13 10:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-13 10:27 ` Tom
2015-02-13 11:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-02-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 11:08 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-12 10:28 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-13 9:25 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-08 3:55 ` Liang Wang
2015-02-08 9:30 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 0:04 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 8:47 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-09 22:07 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 23:03 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 23:09 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 16:15 ` Robin Templeton
2015-02-09 20:13 ` Perry E. Metzger
2015-02-09 22:08 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-10 8:24 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 9:31 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 10:44 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 10:53 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 12:45 ` Helmut Eller
2015-02-10 13:35 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 15:42 ` Yann Hodique
2015-02-10 16:11 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:49 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-11 10:20 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-11 15:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-11 23:13 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-09 20:06 ` Florian Weimer
2015-02-09 20:34 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-10 22:46 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-06 19:21 ` David Kastrup
2015-02-07 5:50 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2015-02-06 14:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 12:44 ` Richard Stallman
2015-02-07 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-02-07 22:41 ` Richard Stallman
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