From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Emacs Book Vs Emacs Manuals Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:30:38 +0300 Message-ID: <83y4kvkrf5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fv77barj.fsf@gnu.org> <87zj5fgpd8.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <83h9rnp0yy.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3qnl70z.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <837fsfm7gq.fsf@gnu.org> <83zj5bkrqw.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431361873 5361 80.91.229.3 (11 May 2015 16:31:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 16:31:13 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 11 18:31:06 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Yrqbh-00074A-Nf for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 18:31:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38714 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Yrqbg-0001LQ-VT for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:31:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36835) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqbW-0001LA-P1 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:30:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqbT-0008Jj-64 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:30:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:35147) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YrqbS-0008Ja-Tc for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 12:30:51 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NO7009001UL2M00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:30:49 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NO7008GB1VCKP80@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 11 May 2015 19:30:49 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <83zj5bkrqw.fsf@gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:104389 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 19:23:35 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > From: Stefan Monnier > > Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 12:12:43 -0400 > > > > > Waste of the student's time, if you ask me. > > > > You (and the current tutorial) assume that the reader of the tutorial > > has decided he's going to use Emacs and wants to figure out how to use > > it efficiently. > > > > That's good for that use case. But there are other use cases, such as > > someone who's intrigued and wants to "check it out". In that case, the > > tutorial should mostly try and showcase what you can do with Emacs. > > Which is why I said (and you elided) that I won't mind if such a > section would be added. Btw, it could just be that the "someone intrigued" use case could be better served by a separate document, also reachable from Help. It is, after all, quite a different goal -- to "sell" Emacs to newcomers, rather than teach them to use it.