From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Why does the tutorial talk about C-n/C-p etc? Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 19:27:47 +0200 Message-ID: <83y49me19o.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y49q64eg.fsf@russet.org.uk> <87wpp9dkux.fsf@russet.org.uk> <83twkbfofd.fsf@gnu.org> <838u1mfi7q.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1457890107 15974 80.91.229.3 (13 Mar 2016 17:28:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 17:28:27 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 13 18:28:26 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oX-0002ac-Hf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 18:28:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36933 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oW-0005Cw-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:28:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39360) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oS-0005Cc-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:28:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oP-0006Yt-LA for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:28:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:41935) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oP-0006Yj-IJ; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:28:17 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4578 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1af9oO-0003gA-Mx; Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:28:17 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:08:40 -0400) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:201615 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2016 13:08:40 -0400 > > >> If arrows keys work out of the box then C-p/n etc. should be > >> in a section called advanced cursor control or something like > >> that and it should be moved somewhere to the end. > > It's not an advanced topic, its basic cursor motion. > > What he means by "advanced topic" is "something that's not indispensable > to start using Emacs effectively". That would fit most of the tutorial. Things that are truly indispensable are mostly those which the readers already know: basic cursor motion, inserting a character and deleting a character. The only other necessary stiff is C-x C-f and C-x C-s, but those can be replaced by menu-bar commands. Does it mean that the entire tutorial is "advanced topic" and should be moved to the end of itself? Hmm...