From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#23926: defcustom with STANDARD= gives confusing results Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 08:20:05 +0300 Message-ID: <83y457bfga.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83vb0fgu83.fsf@gnu.org> <87k2gvhvql.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> <838txbgfgx.fsf@gnu.org> <837fcvgdho.fsf@gnu.org> <8360sehps4.fsf@gnu.org> <87inwbfsf2.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1468301054 5745 80.91.229.3 (12 Jul 2016 05:24:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 05:24:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org To: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 12 07:24:03 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1bMqAr-0006BR-QH for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 07:24:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37510 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMqAr-0007L6-0f for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:24:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:60596) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq81-0004Oi-RH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:21:06 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7y-0005XR-Ja for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:35124) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7y-0005XL-Fz for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:21:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7y-0004gB-9r for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:21:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 05:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 23926 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 23926-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B23926.146830083517937 (code B ref 23926); Tue, 12 Jul 2016 05:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 23926) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Jul 2016 05:20:35 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7W-0004fF-Mc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:20:34 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41226) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7U-0004ez-KM for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:20:32 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7M-0005Sp-DK for 23926@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:20:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:58329) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7M-0005Sb-AB; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:20:24 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:4450 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1bMq7K-0001xW-FC; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 01:20:22 -0400 In-reply-to: <87inwbfsf2.fsf@users.sourceforge.net> (npostavs@users.sourceforge.net) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:120892 Archived-At: > From: npostavs@users.sourceforge.net > Cc: 23926@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2016 23:26:25 -0400 > > I had a look at the docs; seems to me "standard" is used consistently, > so it makes sense to change to that. Docstring of defcustom: I'm in favor of using consistent terminology, but this: > STANDARD is an expression specifying the variable’s standard > value. is just tautology: it doesn't really explain what is STANDARD, except by using the same word, which is too general to explain itself. So if we want to use this, and consider that an improvement, I think it would be good to explain some more what "standard value" means or is. Thanks.