From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
Cc: tzz@lifelogs.com, 24150@debbugs.gnu.org, sdl.web@gmail.com,
clement.pit@gmail.com
Subject: bug#24150: 26.0.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 17:24:35 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83y3s5oaxo.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mv8m3yya.fsf@calancha-pc> (message from Tino Calancha on Mon, 03 Jul 2017 13:51:25 +0900)
> From: Tino Calancha <tino.calancha@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2017 13:51:25 +0900
> Cc: Ted Zlatanov <tzz@lifelogs.com>, tino.calancha@gmail.com,
> Clément Pit--Claudel <clement.pit@gmail.com>,
> Leo Liu <sdl.web@gmail.com>
>
> After i found the following threads:
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/20300137/how-to-create-new-file-from-dired-mode
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/2592095/how-do-i-create-an-empty-file-in-emacs
>
> and considering the significant number of views they have, i'd like to
> reopen this issue.
>
> 1. In my config i've bound the new command to 'M-+'.
>
> 2. In the threads above they suggest the keybindings 'c' and '_'.
>
> 'c' is already bound to `dired-do-compress-to', so i propose to bind
> the new command to '_' (unless you have a better proposal).
>
> If there are no objections, i would like to apply the following patch
> in a few days:
Thanks for working on this, Tino.
I have a few concerns that I'd like to raise before we agree on adding
this.
First, I think this might be mixing two separate requests: one is the
desire to start a new file from Dired, the other is to create an empty
file on disk. I think these should be kept separate because they
serve 2 different needs; in particular, the latter is not related to
Dired in any way.
I have no issues with adding a Dired keybinding that would call
find-file without much ado. I'm not sure whether it should be bound
to M-+ or to "C-u +", but I will defer to opinions of others on that.
But I don't think M-+ or whatever we bind that command to should
actually _create_ an empty file on disk. This is not how Emacs works
with files; "C-x C-f" will not create a file until you save the
buffer. That "+" actually creates a directory is IMO an exception
rather than the rule: nothing else makes sense with directories, since
users cannot type directory contents into a buffer and then save it,
at least not easily.
I do recognize a possible need for a function, or maybe even a
command, to create an empty disk file. AFAIK, we don't have such a
function, although it's not hard to write. But I think the use cases
for such a command are quite rare and niche cases, so I think we
shouldn't have a keybinding for it, not even in Dired. Let users who
need this command frequently bind it to a key; with time, if it turns
out I'm wrong and these use cases are much more frequent, we can
decide on providing a binding by default.
So, to summarize my POV: (a) it's okay to add a Dired keybinding for
find-file; (b) let's add a command with no binding for creating an
empty file.
Thanks.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-07-03 14:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-08-04 13:25 bug#24150: 25.1.50; New command: dired-create-empty-file Tino Calancha
2016-08-04 13:54 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2016-08-04 16:29 ` Leo Liu
2016-08-04 17:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-08-04 17:29 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-05 6:03 ` Tino Calancha
2016-08-05 14:48 ` Drew Adams
2016-08-06 12:38 ` Tino Calancha
2016-08-05 6:07 ` Tino Calancha
2017-05-03 8:23 ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-03 4:51 ` bug#24150: 26.0.50; " Tino Calancha
2017-07-03 14:24 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2017-07-03 15:04 ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-03 16:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-03 20:18 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2017-07-07 13:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-07 13:17 ` Drew Adams
2017-07-07 13:31 ` Ted Zlatanov
2017-07-03 15:12 ` Drew Adams
2017-07-05 18:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-05 19:34 ` Drew Adams
2017-07-07 5:36 ` Tino Calancha
2017-07-07 11:11 ` Drew Adams
2018-07-10 7:01 ` Tino Calancha
2018-07-10 7:42 ` Phil Sainty
2018-07-17 7:39 ` Tino Calancha
2018-07-20 9:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-23 3:57 ` Tino Calancha
2018-07-27 8:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-07-31 4:47 ` Tino Calancha
2018-07-31 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-01 5:16 ` Tino Calancha
2018-08-01 6:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-01 7:13 ` Tino Calancha
2018-08-01 8:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-01 9:31 ` Tino Calancha
2018-08-01 11:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-02 4:34 ` Tino Calancha
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