From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Some developement questions Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 11:19:36 +0300 Message-ID: <83y3cu7t9j.fsf@gnu.org> References: <444779489.8504194.1534538988289.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <444779489.8504194.1534538988289@mail.yahoo.com> <83sh3cfb3t.fsf@gnu.org> <87sh36inql.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <8336v6cvem.fsf@gnu.org> <8736v6icgt.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83tvnmb958.fsf@gnu.org> <877ekigiiw.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <837ekhb2me.fsf@gnu.org> <87zhxcbmtr.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> <83in409lub.fsf@gnu.org> <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1535185110 15042 195.159.176.226 (25 Aug 2018 08:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 08:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: hw Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Aug 25 10:18:25 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ftTm5-0003ma-Io for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 10:18:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44988 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftToB-0003wz-Ja for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:20:35 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34826) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftTna-0003kz-9q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:19:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftTnS-000807-Co for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:19:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:42361) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ftTnQ-0007yp-HB; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:19:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1918 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1ftTnQ-0002xb-4I; Sat, 25 Aug 2018 04:19:48 -0400 In-reply-to: <871sanb71j.fsf@himinbjorg.adminart.net> (message from hw on Sat, 25 Aug 2018 03:31:18 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:228890 Archived-At: > From: hw > Cc: spacibba@aol.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 03:31:18 +0200 > > >> (setq Man-width 75) > > > > Emacs nowadays calculates the width dynamically, depending on the > > dimensions of the window. > > Why not make Emacs dynamically size it's windows to the width of the > display first? ;~O > > > > Yes, Emacs can do that since a while, and has made it an extremely > annoying default. Who wants to read manual pages or other text when it > has been formatted to be about 140--300 characters per line wide (and > way more than that if my eyes were what they used to be)? > [...] > This is a good example for a default that really should be changed. Feel free to file a bug report about it. > Think of what Ergus pointed out in his last post[1] about the > difficulties users and Emacs are experiencing: > > > + find out about Emacs > + install Emacs > + find out about package manager of Emacs > + configure package manager, add repos > + somehow get an idea of what packages to install > + get into dependency hell and alternatives hell > + get into documentation hell because it's hard to tell which > documentation is up to date > + get nothing to work I agree that practical steps towards helping new users is something that are very welcome.