From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#29550: 27.0.50; `not-modified' should be disabled by default Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:20:58 +0300 Message-ID: <83y2y7fu05.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="125962"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, larsi@gnus.org, 29550@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 29 09:22:16 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iETX5-000WbW-JO for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 09:22:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37192 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iETX3-0008Df-Mu for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:22:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54167) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iETWt-0008DV-Ih for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:22:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iETWs-0007iz-Au for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:22:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:43272) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iETWs-0007iv-7u for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:22:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iETWs-00022E-21 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:22:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 29550 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 29550-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B29550.15697416757770 (code B ref 29550); Sun, 29 Sep 2019 07:22:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 29550) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2019 07:21:15 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52093 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iETW6-00021F-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:21:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45043) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iETW3-000211-Uy for 29550@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:21:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45132) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iETVx-000561-RJ; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:21:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2364 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iETVw-000542-CO; Sun, 29 Sep 2019 03:21:04 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 29 Sep 2019 02:06:55 +0200) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:167608 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 02:06:55 +0200 > Cc: Glenn Morris , Göktuğ Kayaalp , > 29550@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii > > >> Previous times this came up: > >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2005-04/msg00182.html > >> (a prolific and, err, idiosyncratic reporter) > >> > >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2006-02/msg00414.html > >> (previous maintainer) > >> > >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2006-02/msg00395.html > >> (previous+N maintainer) > >> > >> Obviously, this calls for a poll! > >> > >> (Please don't have a poll.) > > > > :-) > > > > I think it makes sense to have this command disabled by default. It's a > > lot more dangerous than several of the other commands that are > > disabled... > > I agree with Lars here, and Stefan Monnier in the above thread, that > it should be disabled. > > I don't really understand the basic controversy here. It should at > worst be a minor inconvenience for anyone who do wish to use it, while > it could save many other users some big headaches. The basic controversy here, from my POV, is that I use "emacs -Q" a lot when working on bug reports, and having this command disabled by default will be a nuisance because I use it VERY often. > So I'll just jump in at the deep end and ask... Are there any > objections to the attached patch? The previous discussions provide objections, don't they?