From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 21:39:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83y2l51uh1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <87d02haj4g.fsf@mercovich.net> <87ft7dn0um.fsf@posteo.net> <831rix3ci8.fsf@gnu.org> <878sd5aba5.fsf@mercovich.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6679"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: self@gkayaalp.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, casouri@gmail.com, stefankangas@gmail.com To: Eduardo Mercovich Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 19 20:41:52 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kJhnz-0001ck-CL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 20:41:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59474 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJhny-000460-7U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:41:50 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50880) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJhmD-0003Bn-I3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:40:01 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50046) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kJhmA-0000eJ-IU; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:39:58 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1918 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kJhm9-00049I-Vt; Sat, 19 Sep 2020 14:39:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <878sd5aba5.fsf@mercovich.net> (message from Eduardo Mercovich on Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:09:38 -0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256208 Archived-At: > From: Eduardo Mercovich > Cc: "Philip K." , self@gkayaalp.com, casouri@gmail.com, > stefankangas@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2020 15:09:38 -0300 > > If we agreed on the general vision it's perfectly possible to do as the > 1st step (MVP in some modern parlance) only the "General editor > preferences" or the "Org-mode preferences". And even there, just a few > of them. My advice is not try to bite a too large chunk of this -- the job is not easy even without that. > The idea proposed here is: > 1. distributions first, because they define the lot for themselves. If > any of them is chose, the wizard almost ends there. I don't see any need to do this, certainly not as the first step. If someone wants one of those versions, they don't need us. > 2. General editor preferences (what was discussed previously in the > list). While we can define defaults, giving the options with clear > impact description allows the User to choose (or jump the decision and > leave the default). It makes much less sense to try to define the same > defaults for everyone, old wises and newbies alike. My suggestion is to focus on this part alone. Getting that right is not easy, and if successful, will be a significant advancement, IMO. > 3. At last very last, other non-editing emacs big applications, like > mail and such. Suggest to drop this one for now as well. Org mode as well.