From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 08:29:57 +0200 Message-ID: <83y242ip0a.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k0fn8od1.fsf@gnus.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5392"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Akira Kyle Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 30 07:33:55 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2p0c-0001Bc-I1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 07:33:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56598 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2p0b-0003yr-5j for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:33:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43784) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2ows-0002tx-5T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:30:02 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35590 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2owr-0005dw-1e; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:30:01 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=K1uJzylsEAaOFSLWGwoopslVPtK43BYMyknVsBeKKu0=; b=gk8y6X92QwSz IAY+bWui8lOnA61UrPWshLBcfu5Tn2KWgWVoxs3IEMqXbvTV4WTcO+V5nBATZCp4oCitHOrxNOnS6 bV1YoI5SlyCdws85J3LKD4HpTsLh2N4APZayKEnbTqPVit+AH5nlKxXVwKb+iQiW4SIFBolWFCMof 5mZeZmGGf2Qy1AujWVD0AoLEPSGC7hSPPPdLPbkLVfItaFpUO96AVLKSdG9MWzugKjw9ATxAODlHo YBjr6T8U0k9TCxGm0/ey4+nW73NTkTAEVWK0hCv67fGrzn5A88kCvXhUP/BzGBI7+u2eVb25XzpHR BxwSLirbT5/KyaEDClfRoQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3878 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2owk-00077V-Jb; Thu, 30 Dec 2021 01:29:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Akira Kyle on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:15:17 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283617 Archived-At: > From: Akira Kyle > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 17:15:17 -0700 > Cc: Richard Stallman , Emacs developers > > It is really a shame that this process is so time consuming and > discouraging for someone like me. The word "shame" doesn't belong here IMO, or at least it isn't the copyright assignment process that should be ashamed. Blame the ridiculous software copyright issues and large corporations that are behind those, and also dishonest people and companies which use free software without making their code freely available. Saying "it's a shame" that assignment process is needed and is in some cases legally complicated is like blaming the traffic lights for turning red at times. It's not the traffic light that should be blamed, it's the chaos that would ensue if the traffic laws were not in place and enforced. Of course, speeding up the assignment process is a worthy goal, but some things cannot be sped up beyond some limit, and if people and organizations should be involved that are not the FSF staff, we cannot in good faith blame the FSF staff for having to wait for those other people to get their act together. In general, my advice to people who send the assignment form is to ping the FSF clerk after a week if they don't get any response and CC me.