From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Grammar checking Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 17:19:42 +0300 Message-ID: <83y1nd0zr5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87355lqs4v.fsf@gmail.com> <838rfd2mmf.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1nd9j1q.fsf@localhost> <831ql52hhv.fsf@gnu.org> <87pm8p9hh1.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="3437"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: relekarpayas@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, m.eliachevitch@posteo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Mar 31 16:19:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1piFbe-0000ay-Ir for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 16:19:54 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piFbN-00027G-H2; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:19:37 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piFbM-00026h-GN for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:19:36 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piFbL-0003B3-LZ; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:19:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/l+ERdVJo32FTpcp8/vhhNMnN0wYwb7f3VuBv3Z2J5I=; b=TlIqnfyY2ju2 H8x41R4lW39MXRIOKVP742xmN2XnfLiIoCbSQprk8oLWdTSBDx9oISpABJ35Hg0idTrAd15SRTw2G 0xG2LagTjgFcTFsc0tq6MPiuFWlH4QJsQtETO7DcSp8PPTn9R3ar1jMfNAw/feIgzOd1UJHj+nx2B 0J+wNPMl4LF/sJQJ8cdXGTBAQDqI2x2Oe1bsq+/xazDN6N528gr3ubHu9HraCP5S1yAusRs+fIvgE UslYy9j2g1xukS/vzq64fBAOQn+Nkl3TkPHdyRRFdLYS76+VBsHZ8JYYV8syzfWoVd9rQLT6VGlu+ vjFvU1rgRBPV/gKy6jeY2w==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1piFbF-0001Ft-MH; Fri, 31 Mar 2023 10:19:29 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pm8p9hh1.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:29:46 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304929 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: relekarpayas@gmail.com, gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, > m.eliachevitch@posteo.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2023 13:29:46 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I am using it in real-life scenarios for authoring. > >> LanguageTool the most sophisticated Libre grammar checker around, AFAIK. > > > > That's not enough, IMO. It should be good in absolute terms, not in > > relative terms. > > Well. It is hard for me to judge in absolute terms. I can only compare > with my own grammar checking by hand (Langtool is better), with feedback > from others (no significant issues after using Langtool; but it does not > tell much), and with Grammarly (it was still able to find some valid > issues after Langtool). What would be the absolute benchmark to test > "how good is Langtool"? I'm quite sure such benchmarks already exist out there. We don't need to invent them.