From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [NonGNU ELPA] New package: devil Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 09:33:02 +0300 Message-ID: <83y1lv5qe9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ttwjbfqq.fsf@gmail.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33591"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, philipk@posteo.net, susam.pal@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Payas Relekar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu May 11 08:32:52 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1pwzr9-0008WW-79 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 11 May 2023 08:32:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwzqe-0001YQ-2M; Thu, 11 May 2023 02:32:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwzqb-0001Y3-Mj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 May 2023 02:32:17 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwzqb-0000z6-B0; Thu, 11 May 2023 02:32:17 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=XeCP9hU5r/oW5j45PeIYvp3qDwI36fQoG6hm4dtBvKY=; b=HRBSWd7S2HEG j84P5Ae3U7akjQc4lHA9sP7boLNpzWgRirCpXcPeb/9xUQYIVNOPrsMsqTdJuPmTMsVUUpN9jTAof s2fazfSu7rWsaB9FLxxeX2iRewvKzYTph96jFnHHAA4xfvE8xf6R3TWz4GP/b+Bhq2lgbW/Nc2Bbi 1VgUB/v/cI7oIOeWaQJ7ydeNZRQY4BoxxzCWBH0Mjr40+W51WgqgD7vfv0/h8JYyNWKiNaRkHuG9m 9FxVEgZcOO5vTW2lGgrYuO9GxUPM4A3Tsrfh5AIMU6H0VjfPUQP5xaXBVfgSymKqvX5qsF6HuY9SL f5JAPpGOB2i5wuEL6IjqqA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pwzqF-0001sB-3L; Thu, 11 May 2023 02:31:56 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87ttwjbfqq.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Payas Relekar on Thu, 11 May 2023 10:53:15 +0530) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:306039 Archived-At: > From: Payas Relekar > Cc: Philip Kaludercic , susam.pal@gmail.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 May 2023 10:53:15 +0530 > > Richard Stallman writes: > > > Why use the name "Devil" for this? It doesn't seen to explain anything > > about the package's purpose. It is likely to put some people off. > > Every name is going to put someone or another off, can't really help it. > OpenBSD has their daemon and there are already funny anecdotes about it, > but it doesn't hurt anyone. "daemon" is a term whose meaning in computing context is widely accepted for many years. "Devil' isn't. > > If there is no clear reason why "Devil" is a good name, let's choose > > a better name now. > > As mentioned by Susam in previous mail, as well as the repo README, the > name refers both to 'eVil' (extensible Vi Layer) as well as 'God-mode'. People are extremely unlikely to understand that, even if they know about Evil in Emacs. And even if they do figure out this is related to Evil, the truth is that the package is not meant to be used by users of Evil. > The name is distinct, and I like it for what it is. Please reconsider, I think this name is very unfortunate, because it gives users no clue whatsoever about the package's purpose. Thanks.