From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#64423: 29.0.92; save-interprogram-paste-before-kill doesn't prevent streaming large selections Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 20:02:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83y1jvk3tw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875y72ieq8.fsf@catern.com> <87cz193eno.fsf@yahoo.com> <87jzvgse4k.fsf@yahoo.com> <87pm58phyu.fsf@catern.com> <87y1jwqqel.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mt0bq4py.fsf@catern.com> <87h6qjreyw.fsf@yahoo.com> <87jzvfohtg.fsf@catern.com> <835y6zlkf7.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6qjoc6y.fsf@catern.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="5874"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, sbaugh@janestreet.com, 64423@debbugs.gnu.org To: sbaugh@catern.com Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 04 19:03:21 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQu-0001I8-Ae for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 19:03:20 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQi-0003ot-5j; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:03:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQc-0003nh-UK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQc-0007ej-LS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:03:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQc-00018j-4e for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:03:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 17:03:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 64423 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 64423-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B64423.16884901594344 (code B ref 64423); Tue, 04 Jul 2023 17:03:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 64423) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2023 17:02:39 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36540 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQE-00017z-Uo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:02:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQ9-00017j-Fq for 64423@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:02:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQ3-0007VQ-Q1; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:02:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=3ZPwl62PNh7vJVt9SZdkr9rZ96IFkfmSodvVA7tdanE=; b=cs+x5Rlls6Je 3SVEXLJQqxEjmZSXFSLLKW7f2eH8AJ9RaMAqcIpE5ffZc/MKg6uDEIhTQXYSSOK9iQ9F3wg6AJ/06 o+xIjmNUgmA/IRddNNPzcSdcvSE3DKpeo9omG6zepo6Id5S8VK4PUC2QCvbXXqFuC7ZcbZNwEoZi3 duIY0F+SUXD6VwP+WmxY28rnA2+Godz4ZIyPfJE0rJYKUO7hCBw4fPw2o4aMBjCwu2ykoEzuxMj+s uW5jUJsFgKQ0NhnLEQH44t1lUngNLX23Fz+ihl7EMHrTM76mN4GgViKGDnheXFzaIWuFwZFazVkDf gm1HDjUu0irDCuH4B2eHTw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGjQ0-0007KU-2w; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 13:02:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87h6qjoc6y.fsf@catern.com> (sbaugh@catern.com) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:264599 Archived-At: > From: sbaugh@catern.com > Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2023 16:48:06 +0000 (UTC) > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, sbaugh@janestreet.com, 64423@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > You cannot "make Emacs more concurrent", not by and large. We can > > make small improvements here and there, if we tread cautiously and do > > careful damage control after each such change, but that's all. > > That's all I ask for, the ability to make such small, careful, cautious > improvements. We seem to differ in what we call "small" improvements... > > If you look at the low-level code in Emacs and take time to understand > > how it works, you will agree with me. (And if you don't agree, we > > will have this very argument again many times in the future.) We > > should accept that fact, and either live with it or start a > > new-generation Emacs, based on very different designs. Anything else > > is just lying to ourselves. > > I've stared at low-level code in Emacs a good amount, but certainly I > wouldn't claim to understand Emacs yet. Nevertheless... > > I think Lisp threads shows that this is not true. If what I said were indeed not true, Lisp threads would have been a hot feature, used by every package out there. That it is not so should teach us something. I don't know if you tried to write a serious application based on Lisp threads, but if not, maybe you should try.