From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Native scrollbars? Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:02:33 +0200 Message-ID: <83wryhxxl2.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87ljffx7zr.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <87bpg90x1s.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <4B7605BF.10404@harpegolden.net> <873a15x02e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bpftldc6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1266055554 28897 80.91.229.12 (13 Feb 2010 10:05:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:05:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Feb 13 11:05:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgEso-0004Pv-KT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:05:51 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46440 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgEsn-0004qo-V4 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NgEse-0004pj-ES for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:40 -0500 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=39750 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NgEsc-0004pB-2p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgEsb-0001um-NZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:37 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:63841) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NgEsa-0001uS-Bb; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 05:05:36 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KXR00G00YBO8D00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:04:34 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.67.249]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KXR00E30YNM5570@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:04:34 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87bpftldc6.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:121096 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 10:00:41 +0100 > > Nevertheless, the default are toolkit scrollbars, and I don't think that > all too many people override it. I think the Lucid scrollbars would be > an even bigger advantage on Windows where dragging is an absolute pain > IIRC because you need to keep on the scrollbar area even horizontally, > or the scrolling jumps back. At least that was the case on Windows > 3.11. On Windows XP the area where you need to keep the mouse pointer is something like 10 times wider than the scroll bar itself.