From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#20569: 24.5; Vertical scroll bar is shorter than frame in info buffer Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 18:15:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83wq0bi423.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87lhgs3s10.fsf@moondust.localdomain> <6763ACD5-57CB-4F90-ABDB-FF9BE7322FC1@swipnet.se> <87d223476s.fsf@moondust.localdomain> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1431616585 9272 80.91.229.3 (14 May 2015 15:16:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:16:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 20569@debbugs.gnu.org To: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu May 14 17:16:15 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysurr-00071a-Rd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 17:16:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55121 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysurr-000631-7t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:16:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53205) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysurn-00062w-VC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:16:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysuri-0003Hx-Tm for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:16:07 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:35204) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysuri-0003Ht-QE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:16:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysuri-0007aE-Ki for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:16:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:16:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 20569 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 20569-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B20569.143161652829073 (code B ref 20569); Thu, 14 May 2015 15:16:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 20569) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 May 2015 15:15:28 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysur9-0007Yn-Os for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:15:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:48871) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Ysur7-0007YP-T1 for 20569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 11:15:26 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NOC00000I8BEJ00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 20569@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:15:03 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NOC00NMJID253C0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Thu, 14 May 2015 18:15:03 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87d223476s.fsf@moondust.localdomain> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102785 Archived-At: > From: nljlistbox2@gmail.com (N. Jackson) > Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 10:31:07 -0300 > > At 05:11 -0300 on Thursday 2015-05-14, Jan D. wrote: > > > The top row is a header row, it does not scroll, so there is no point > > in having the scroll bar extend into it. > > It is visually unappealing. > > More importantly, it is inconsistent with usage in other software. > > For example, in a GUI file management program such as Dolphin or > Nautilus the top row of the client area of the window is also a header ( > it contains the field headings such as "Name", "Date", and > "Permissions"), yet the scroll bar extends past this header to meet up > with the decorations across the top of the window. If the scroll bar extended past the header line, users would expect that line to scroll, which it doesn't. Anyway, this is how the header line was designed and implemented in Emacs. We have tabulated-list-mode for the other kind. The Info reader uses the header line for a good reason: it shows there stuff that needs to be always visible, so it cannot be the first line of the buffer, or behave like one.