From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#35360: 26.2; Default bindings of `A' and `Q' in Dired, for MS Windows users Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 22:07:21 +0300 Message-ID: <83wojn89ee.fsf@gnu.org> References: <2ee4e871-a51a-47fe-bb67-8ff0f12a986b@default> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="105239"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: 35360@debbugs.gnu.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 21 21:08:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHow-000REs-Go for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 21:08:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56159 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHov-0006mb-De for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:08:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49888) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHop-0006mU-KT for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:08:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHoo-0002g8-QD for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:08:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:35536) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHoo-0002fZ-Ma for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:08:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHoo-0004PQ-GP for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:08:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:08:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 35360 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 35360-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B35360.155587367916937 (code B ref 35360); Sun, 21 Apr 2019 19:08:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 35360) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Apr 2019 19:07:59 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49080 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHok-0004P6-J2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:07:58 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHoj-0004Op-19 for 35360@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:07:57 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54503) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHod-0002XZ-IV; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:07:51 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3373 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hIHoV-0004U6-Th; Sun, 21 Apr 2019 15:07:47 -0400 In-reply-to: <2ee4e871-a51a-47fe-bb67-8ff0f12a986b@default> (message from Drew Adams on Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:47:26 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:157958 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:47:26 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > > These keys used to be bound to `dired-do-search' and > `dired-do-query-replace-regexp', by default. Those commands, which > still exist (good), do not require a Windows user to have `find' or > `grep' OS commands available. They require only an Emacs TAGS file. > > Shouldn't the default bindings of `A' and `Q' DTRT on MS Windows out of > the box? Why assume that Windows users have GNU/Linux commands or their > equivalents? Can't Emacs either bind these keys to what they were bound > to previously or test first whether the requisite OS commands are > available before binding these keys to Emacs commands that won't be > usable for many Windows users? Patches welcome to use Lisp replacements for 'find' and 'grep' on Windows (with a defcustom that will allow to use the external programs when they are available). > It would be better, IMHO, to keep `A' and `Q' bound to their previous, > TAGS-based commands, and introduce new key bindings for the new xref > commands. I don't think this is going to happen, nor that it should happen. We've had this discussion before, I think more than once, it's time to let go.