From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#36454: 26.2.90; feature request - Insert char by hex tab completion or C-x 8 RET ffe Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 09:41:58 +0300 Message-ID: <83wogev83t.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<>> <<<87r27016xo.fsf@mouse.gnus.org>>> <<>> <<<4087f726-f9e7-4bc5-a9b3-7d24d9b7f7c5@default>>> <<<2f469306-98d3-8735-4d0d-61aae53321d0@gmail.com>>> <<<8a8360df-afe2-4ae8-abac-96e7691f52a6@default>>> <<<27479297-ab97-106b-7325-5ac6ef5d0b92@gmail.com>>> <<<1981011f-2e19-4f4b-a7ac-8ccd15298b1a@default>>> <<<83k1cfy8mp.fsf@gnu.org>>> <<6251d2e2-5366-4c06-8c42-811d1aa7d5e3@default>> <<831rynwah9.fsf@gnu.org>> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="59171"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: van@scratch.space, 36454@debbugs.gnu.org, mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jul 19 08:43:10 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbj-000FGD-1t for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 08:43:07 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42658 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbh-0003bB-Rn for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:43:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbf-0003b3-2z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:43:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbe-0004p7-2y for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:43:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:46188) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbd-0004oZ-Um for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:43:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMbd-0000TJ-Qj for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:43:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2019 06:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 36454 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix Original-Received: via spool by 36454-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B36454.15635185341760 (code B ref 36454); Fri, 19 Jul 2019 06:43:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 36454) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jul 2019 06:42:14 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55009 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMas-0000SK-9c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMap-0000S6-KG for 36454@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:12 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40829) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMaj-00048l-CL; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:05 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3121 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1hoMai-0007JN-Ll; Fri, 19 Jul 2019 02:42:05 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:44:46 +0000 (UTC)) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 209.51.188.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:163365 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2019 20:44:46 +0000 (UTC) > From: Drew Adams > Cc: mrsebastianurban@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, van@scratch.space, > 36454@debbugs.gnu.org > > > I hope we agree that wading through 170 completion candidates, let > > alone 500, is not very convenient, yes? > > No, we don't agree that 500 completion candidates > is a problem. I'm surprised to hear that, but maybe I shouldn't. > Completion is not just an aid for entering input. > It's a way to discover, browse, search, etc. a > set of information. Completion is a very poor means for discovery and browsing. If we want tools for discovering characters, we should have more powerful commands: list characters by their Unicode block, by their script, by their attributes, etc. Completion is not for all of that; it can be used for that, but with very low efficiency and user-friendliness. So we should not judge the need for completion by considering any use cases other than just completion, i.e. finding a specific character or a small group of related characters.