From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Recentish C-s M-y change Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 14:13:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83wnwwg8iu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <<87r1na4tyu.fsf@gnus.org>> <<87tus6tj7s.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <<87a6txigm1.fsf@gnus.org>> <<874kk5lzew.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <> <<87eej8ifll.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <> <<87h7o3k5b5.fsf@mail.linkov.net>> <> <> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="35702"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, juri@linkov.net To: "Alfred M. Szmidt" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 01 13:14:58 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kvJKc-00099v-92 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 13:14:58 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57898 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvJKb-0003ZX-BG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 07:14:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvJJb-00036p-VZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 07:13:55 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51488) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kvJJa-0006EB-8X; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 07:13:54 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3159 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kvJJE-0001q1-EI; Fri, 01 Jan 2021 07:13:33 -0500 In-Reply-To: (ams@gnu.org) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262239 Archived-At: > From: "Alfred M. Szmidt" > Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2021 06:14:40 -0500 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > More and more (my impression), things, even major > things, are getting changed through just bug reports. > Dunno whether that's intentionally to avoid wider > discussion, but it has that effect. > > I share that impression as well, it does seems that the modus operandi > is to change first, discuss later. I think this impression might be skewed. Many people feel the opposite: that we discuss too much, and moreover, that starting a discussion on emacs-devel almost invariably leads to stalemate that blocks the proposed changes. If someone wants to be intimately involved in the Emacs development, he or she should subscribe to the bug list, because many issues are discussed there (as they should be), and sometimes the conclusion is that we should make changes. People who cannot afford subscribing to the bug list still have the usual means: submitting bug reports about behavior changes that annoy them or are in their opinion wrong. (But please note that we don't promise to agree with every single objection or protest against a change that was installed, we have our judgment and pour opinions.) It is impractical to expect that every potentially annoying or problematic change will be detected before it is committed, so I urge people not to develop such unrealistic expectations.