From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [External] : Re: Concern about new binding. Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 17:05:50 +0200 Message-ID: <83wnvjncj5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87zh0mmr54.fsf@gmail.com> <87y2g5smya.fsf@gmail.com> <4FF55FBF-573D-4A70-B3FC-682CA25B7ECB@gnu.org> <83lfc53whk.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203180142.seu6o3i6u7jhkyrh@Ergus> <83eehx3to5.fsf@gnu.org> <20210203221628.xgvvxjvh56gyswba@Ergus> <20210204070033.pm4ido4hq7a6twif@Ergus> <83sg6brhyg.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9b7orny.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7798"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Feb 07 16:06:54 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1l8leI-0001vA-8M for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 16:06:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:32810 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8leH-0000B9-76 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 10:06:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49652) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8ldG-0008An-GI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 10:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59417) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1l8ldG-0001Rt-9U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 10:05:50 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2876 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1l8ld4-0000YV-EU; Sun, 07 Feb 2021 10:05:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:33:40 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:264120 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 07 Feb 2021 00:33:40 -0500 > > You're right, but I think we are having a miscommunication. > I'm not saying we should poll the users about this. > That wasn't the intention at all. > > Here's the discussion that led up to it: > > > I'd prefer to find a binding to which people could agree, because that > > would leave fewer people unhappy. > > How do we know that? Users haven't been polled, > have they? Emacs users and Emacs have survived > for 35+ years without a global binding for > `revert-buffer'. Why assume that most users now > would be happier if it had a global binding? > > So I added > > More than that. Over that time, how often have people > asked for such a global binding? > > My point was that we should not assume there is a lot of demand for > this change. You agreed with Drew who said a poll was needed (although now he denies that). More generally, the expectation that we poll the user to substantiate decisions or opinions is expressed more and more frequently lately, on more than one or two occasions, which is the background for what I wrote.