From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Motif support Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 21:51:13 +0200 Message-ID: <83wnjxybwu.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fsqlzyxo.fsf@gnu.org> <837dbxzv6x.fsf@gnu.org> <831r25ztww.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39508"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 21 20:52:02 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mzlB3-0009xs-D7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 20:52:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50340 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzlB2-0003yP-Al for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:52:00 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38778) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzlAF-0003Hu-Vo for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:51:12 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=35452 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzlAF-0006L9-M5; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:51:11 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=KAYnhg+YVIG+GZvWytbM7hzFoCPHQCy4ztDl/Y/ywNA=; b=YPDLv5TrULrvwi7ZRfa+ DMf2C2f8uZX9/wgRJRP1izPiAIqbg4Em9gCiiCagjdvP72AkMnS7qv5SDqERFZqootpTNQSMIH29q xp4Xlzga6PivzlUnmlSLJdgh7G1zUQ2yu4zf5uM3Zf9rehxm0ofYmYuBD3NFB4BENI4FLVjYta6I2 ByhuH00JJeLVojy+ICPQWPYqDDnOyzmcoVEPkv+6vzw2RKnX04jYkTqyRqEUWVDPD3bnWWok9z+jw xyM/UHMcPeSwenLRVTvoG3xTPDW2pJ8orn1EAFn5+BiPk1u8pN5JPKEH6xBNA1ss4DAEdMfnjv3QW 2/8aVZsalXFDKw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2459 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mzlAF-0006sT-Es; Tue, 21 Dec 2021 14:51:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282626 Archived-At: > Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 20:45:07 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: Emacs Devel > > > Experience tells us that users on every platforms generally want Emacs > > to look and feel like other GUI programs on that platform. > > I feels like this contradicts VSCode's popularity, which has it's unique > look?  Why shouldn't Emacs have a signature keewl look? If this is true (I don't use VSCode, so I don't know), then perhaps because VSCode users and Emacs users have different expectations? > Yes, that is exactly what I meant all along by saying "a simple > software renderer".  It really isn't that hard to draw a 2D GUI, no > need to reinvent all graphics, only a miniscule part. Text rendering > is the hard part, which we delegate. We draw the menus how we want them > to look, then tell the platform to display them. I very much doubt this will produce anything useful, let alone why would we want yet another "toolkit". But feel free to prove me wrong by showing code that does this.