From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#52870: Is displaying bindings in describe-function useful? Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 15:28:26 +0200 Message-ID: <83wnjnk0at.fsf@gnu.org> References: Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36646"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: 52870@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Dec 29 14:29:25 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z17-00099n-8z for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 14:29:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60884 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z16-0001BE-AN for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:29:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52510) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0r-0001AY-8n for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:29:06 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.43]:36700) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0o-0008Kf-8G for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:29:04 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0o-0002HF-5w for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:29:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 13:29:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 52870 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs Original-Received: via spool by 52870-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B52870.16407845118705 (code B ref 52870); Wed, 29 Dec 2021 13:29:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 52870) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Dec 2021 13:28:31 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48246 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0J-0002GL-Dc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:28:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51692) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0H-0002G6-TI for 52870@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:28:30 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=38552 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0C-0008Hw-De; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:28:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rtwmz6TqSDitZScMb1wFBOiBd0CaxxnhBl1YLSjkL10=; b=OPSUbSxzAAdJ QELPyqJK9M/G3pINFTKpj+OemBOBSvwVWFyZWrIBTHSz9pJEqT2TiUO+/hbBBabFEKKFFluUWYSNh HLvvIV/ismpwc3VUmsyubfn4b4MMvBDnddnjINdQwlWXJCLXYn54JnM+IzQHHV3z8KY9c0mAohRV1 nmLhhYHSrcfHd2VGNlOyCNjB0WhHXYNZr5VcNjJ5P1Ezgu3llvzDd64AyRgQCrrNID8kElMYYzKdU JkWQQdlqBNBXMTo2z8o6AAxPIEWX1xtZ3f9409nIEuzBjURhTR9OuzbvjJbMCUQ/uQP1ZcQr0mP7V HhgR+1brbC3QkWRfGS84OA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4504 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n2Z0C-0006FP-8L; Wed, 29 Dec 2021 08:28:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 29 Dec 2021 04:40:56 -0800) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.bugs:223327 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 04:40:56 -0800 > > For example, in Dired, I type `C-h f dired-do-chmod RET' and read: > > It is bound to M, . > > Is the " ..." part there very useful? I think it's as useful as the other key bindings we show there. This doesn't annoy me, and I sometimes find it useful. There's no reason to believe that people remember all the menu items by heart, no more than we expect them to remember key sequences. I'm sure that if you look at the menu bindings, you will sometimes find items there you didn't know about, or knew but forgot. > I would therefore like to suggest either: > > a) Displaying nothing at all for such bindings. The menu entries will > be shown in the menu itself, and that is enough. > > In this case, we could have an option to revert to the old behavior. > > b) Show it separately from other key bindings at the end, maybe > something like this: This is a serious change in behavior, so I think it could only fly as an opt-in feature. It sounds like a personal preference, so an option, off by default, for it sounds about right. Thanks.