From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Disambiguate modeline character for UTF-8? Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2023 08:33:39 +0300 Message-ID: <83wmzdioy4.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83wo1p73d2.fsf@gnu.org> <6ccde339-2bf1-3a4d-61bb-734046bf02d5@cs.ucla.edu> <83r1rx6vgv.fsf@gnu.org> <83lfi56te9.fsf@gnu.org> <83cz16k2kx.fsf@gnu.org> <833522jwvr.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="2465"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca To: Ulrich Mueller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Jul 06 07:34:43 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qHHdb-0000Pf-LD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 07:34:43 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHHct-0002FS-U3; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:33:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHHcd-0002Cl-9i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:33:48 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHHcb-0000fF-0N; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:33:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BYQVZnaU69bWhPPC+UjoZq7je2oTb6yxUdJ6GjTQB6I=; b=qXgmSzs6eAwZ 17xNqdlbD+0um9NXMM5/3n0WXWhdhXSpNBGsnSw/cMZCe/S1PX+cWp/w4MJ5aJr8aV51jVZyYP8kY kY5BWrnW5gZWa2kTH3/gadm5B9/d0fUrtcCh13zr6Qs08LHEe9iMEPV1bGzgxxQ70Icl8QHXphyjI Jn2bNQaR+63j08KHsu/yfmq89H2cu4r/CTF6O5DRTx79n48JDZi9ZI1wQfd0whWZ0p/gxE+kgsWWA SuIALDnfFyh+59kTyFdUZ+YdZB+69NMcOuqrRlJ9VgoKvmI6pfBDNkBIGbqbAXTB1ceyHExJqlYfB OQkdkmrUtJcTMWDVqrYG1A==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qHHcZ-0000Y2-Mc; Thu, 06 Jul 2023 01:33:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Ulrich Mueller on Wed, 05 Jul 2023 23:50:53 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307486 Archived-At: > From: Ulrich Mueller > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, > monnier@iro.umontreal.ca > Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2023 23:50:53 +0200 > > > The other encodings are all from the UTF family, so using 'U' for them > > all does make sense. > > IMHO it doesn't make sense at all. UTF-8, UTF-16 and UTF-7 are > completely different encodings which have nothing in common except > their name. They do have something important in common: they are all Unicode encodings, thus "U". > All I'm asking for is a unique indicator for UTF-8. Wouldn't this be > justified for the most common encoding (or maybe it's second after > ASCII)? Sorry, I'm not interested in such radical changes. UTF-8 is an important encoding, but that doesn't justify what you propose. In the absolute majority of cases, "U" already means UTF-8 and nothing else, so the issue is marginal at best, and making such significant incompatible changes in user-facing displays is unjustified from my POV.