* bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
@ 2023-11-29 7:01 Xiyue Deng
2023-11-29 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Xiyue Deng @ 2023-11-29 7:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: 67521
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In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
"Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
"`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the
`with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
operations, etc.
Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in
advance for considering!
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From adf5973940e99e7ec676e2f5d43aae9026075f43 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 17:44:31 -0800
Subject: [PATCH] Add more text to clarify the behavior of with-current-buffer
* doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi (copy-to-buffer): update text
---
doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi | 6 +++++-
1 file changed, 5 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
diff --git a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
index e4a0f585f69..ba93dfd3b91 100644
--- a/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
+++ b/doc/lispintro/emacs-lisp-intro.texi
@@ -5445,7 +5445,11 @@ That expression starts with @code{get-buffer-create buffer}. The
function tells the computer to use the buffer with the name specified
as the one to which you are copying, or if such a buffer does not
exist, to create it. Then, the @code{with-current-buffer} function
-evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current.
+evaluates its body with that buffer temporarily current, after which
+it will switch back to the buffer we are at now@footnote{It is like
+calling @code{(save-excursion (set-buffer ...) ...)} in one go, though
+it is defined slightly differently which interested reader can find
+out using @code{describe-function}}.
(This demonstrates another way to shift the computer's attention but
not the user's. The @code{append-to-buffer} function showed how to do
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* bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
2023-11-29 7:01 bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details Xiyue Deng
@ 2023-11-29 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-29 16:45 ` Xiyue Deng
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-29 13:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xiyue Deng; +Cc: 67521-done
> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
>
> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
>
> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the
> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
> operations, etc.
>
> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in
> advance for considering!
Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
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* bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
2023-11-29 13:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-29 16:45 ` Xiyue Deng
2023-11-30 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Xiyue Deng @ 2023-11-29 16:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 67521-done
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
>>
>> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
>> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
>> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
>> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
>> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
>> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
>>
>> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
>> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the
>> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
>> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
>> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
>> operations, etc.
>>
>> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in
>> advance for considering!
>
> Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
your fix of course)?
--
Xiyue Deng
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* bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
2023-11-29 16:45 ` Xiyue Deng
@ 2023-11-30 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-11-30 6:18 ` Xiyue Deng
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Eli Zaretskii @ 2023-11-30 5:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Xiyue Deng; +Cc: 67521-done
> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
> Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
> >>
> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
> >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
> >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
> >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
> >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
> >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
> >>
> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
> >> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the
> >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
> >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
> >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
> >> operations, etc.
> >>
> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in
> >> advance for considering!
> >
> > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
>
> Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
> your fix of course)?
The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it
will, in a few days.
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* bug#67521: 29.1; Describe with-current-buffer in more details
2023-11-30 5:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
@ 2023-11-30 6:18 ` Xiyue Deng
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Xiyue Deng @ 2023-11-30 6:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Eli Zaretskii; +Cc: 67521-done
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
>> Cc: 67521-done@debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2023 08:45:34 -0800
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>>
>> >> From: Xiyue Deng <manphiz@gmail.com>
>> >> Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2023 23:01:58 -0800
>> >>
>> >> In section 5.1, "The Definition of `copy-to-buffer'" of "Introduction to
>> >> Emacs Lisp", when describing the implementation, the description of
>> >> function `with-current-buffer' is a little too succinct with a sentence
>> >> "Then, the `with-current-buffer 'function evaluates its body with that
>> >> buffer temporarily current." and another one in the parentheses
>> >> "`with-current-buffer' is a newer, and arguably easier, mechanism."
>> >>
>> >> AIUI the intro book is intended for people without programming
>> >> experience. While arguably these two sentences do describe the
>> >> `with-current-buffer' function, it would be better to expand a little
>> >> more on what it does after "with that buffer temporarily current", such
>> >> as it will switch back to the current buffer upon finishing the inner
>> >> operations, etc.
>> >>
>> >> Below is a proposed patch to expand the description a little. Thanks in
>> >> advance for considering!
>> >
>> > Thanks, installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the issue.
>>
>> Thanks Eli! Just wondering will this be installed on master also (with
>> your fix of course)?
>
> The release branch is periodically merged onto master, so yes, it
> will, in a few days.
Ah didn't know that. Thanks for clarifying!
--
Xiyue Deng
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