From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Turning on savehist-mode by default Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 05:36:25 +0200 Message-ID: <83wmtci3ly.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87wmufm7r7.fsf@catern.com> <83h6kikkag.fsf@gnu.org> <8334w1l12c.fsf@gnu.org> <877cldxd71.fsf@yahoo.com> <83jzpdj9qn.fsf@gnu.org> <8734w1x8e2.fsf@yahoo.com> <83fs01j62h.fsf@gnu.org> <837clck8fz.fsf@gnu.org> <913d13fd-effa-426b-a9d4-f618e9053a59@gmx.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="7076"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, jfenn@gmx.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Dec 18 04:37:34 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rF4Ri-0001g3-Fx for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 18 Dec 2023 04:37:34 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rF4Qt-0007ON-VY; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:36:43 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rF4Qq-0007O9-IT for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:36:41 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rF4Qp-0004fw-Pm; Sun, 17 Dec 2023 22:36:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=/R9AREitos/a042e7LaiOEGwJCd90h2GjDa30rPmErE=; b=aGMlovgVJaSW yKg7uZ7RoARn/aOf4o2DxuRYa4aIP+1Itup4TlVFZlsmiKLCbk8bT8u1eoGwH7o9ScelXjOSpVsvc aCXmCKane06LGQ64OpZhEacKgBXFiS2I8jan8SC1GVEG4VTOeBjmqnxcXGl3XUysCFQ0OFltxSk1X xKAwQkW6KNHOi2noChxh0jxC2ZD5ebCZNOm7Q+rXY2HcKG3I16lZhOcXv7akoCZ/8xq5TmIK5JsCN YTnhCA47oQKILxF67Zse8MVauI1M7LJ08k5ZMK/uqY+Isy+sR5NVFUQmDeYtmttGv6NYUs4vrkxqA mOvYRqTCvnb34xLWGuLFow==; In-Reply-To: (message from Po Lu on Mon, 18 Dec 2023 08:47:57 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313966 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: Juergen Fenn , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2023 08:47:57 +0800 > > Dmitry Gutov writes: > > > That implies that all Emacs users are aware of savehist-mode, and that > > it won't ever get any new users. > > > > Pretty pessimistic. > > What's pessimistic is the depressing vision of a world in which Emacs > users who want functionality cannot research which Emacs features might > provide it, compelling us to enable everything under the sun that they > might want, however few of them do. The last few messages in this thread show all the alarming indications of a discussion that is about to become another futile bikeshedding, whereby each participant wants to say the last word, and which then escalates into unkind discussion where people's feelings get hurt. So I urge people to please stop this needless go-around before it's too late. I assure you that nothing you can say in this manner can possibly affect the decision, whatever it will be.