From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Tweaking t-m-m to make room for d-s-m Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:47:53 +0300 Message-ID: <83vdceywc6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87sk7pzqsp.fsf@ambire.localdomain> <33DBCF2DFF71401DB0861E66EC29ED2B@us.oracle.com> <5F1D87251C98412EADC1187ABFCC3E8D@us.oracle.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1269942530 2908 80.91.229.12 (30 Mar 2010 09:48:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 09:48:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: mathias@mnet-mail.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 30 11:48:46 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwY3v-0002pM-U9 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 11:48:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54209 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwY3v-0006eG-8c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:48:43 -0400 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1NwY3m-0006cr-Fd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:48:34 -0400 Original-Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46206 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1NwY3k-0006bW-Hd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:48:33 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwY3j-0005Oy-C7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:48:32 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:55014) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwY3j-0005Os-39 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 05:48:31 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L0300C0094MU900@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:47:47 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.127.176.135]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L0300DV29VK7Q00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 12:47:45 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:122902 Archived-At: > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 08:38:18 +0200 > Cc: mathias@mnet-mail.de, dak@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > =09drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:31 AM, Richard Stallman wro= te: > > =C2=A0 =C2=A0- It is not as easy to type for `undo' if your are u= sed to using C-z for that. > > > > C-z has never been an undo command in Emacs > > so Emacs users are not used to typing C-z for that. >=20 > That conclusion is not valid. >=20 > I think most Emacs users are today at least using also a web browse= r > where C-z means undo while editing. Which doesn't necessarily mean they want it in Emacs. At least for me, C-z scrolls the window by one line: (global-set-key "\C-z" (function (lambda () (interactive) (scroll-up= 1)))) I use this in Emacs by far more often than `undo'.