From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: What are advantages and disadvantages of RMAIL and mh-rmail ? Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:25:00 +0300 Message-ID: <83vc1ldnwj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5ili3zuuj0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <878uyoua8b.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <8761tr9ofa.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87ob7iq5sf.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87hada9h6z.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87r4c9yenn.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <874n9563da.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87had5604d.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <874n95xqwh.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87siwpl1x2.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> <87eh89kwga.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380378328 27044 80.91.229.3 (28 Sep 2013 14:25:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 14:25:28 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Sep 28 16:25:31 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VPvSb-0008P7-SC for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 16:25:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41454 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPvSb-0006vf-BD for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:25:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59819) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPvSL-0006u5-Ca for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:25:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPvSG-0002cz-3D for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:25:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:51422) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VPvSF-0002bO-SH for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 10:25:08 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTU00M00AN5RT00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:25:06 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTU00MHUAPUHP90@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 28 Sep 2013 17:25:06 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87eh89kwga.fsf@nl106-137-194.student.uu.se> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:93708 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2013 13:38:04 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> We can disagree without having to pull rank. > > > > There's nothing wrong in citing a long experience. > > Yes, that's called pulling rank You can call it what you want, the essence will not change: this was a valid data point, see below. > and especially if it doesn't relate to the issue. "20 years" doesn't > relate to Rmail or Gnus, and nothing can be deducted from it, apart > from, perhaps "Rmail is at least 20 years old". You are missing the point. I said I was using Rmail for the past 20 years, and yet didn't bump into the "single huge file" problem that you claimed was the problem with Rmail. If 20 years of continuous usage do not produce large files, the problem of large Rmail files you cited can only be explained by sub-optimal use patterns. > Your Rmail folders may be what you desire but I always > wanted *one file per message*, and fully automated. That's fine. But "one message per file" is not the only reasonable way of maintaining mail archives. The alternatives are not limited to "one huge file", they include "a number of messages in each file". > This is what I meant by the T-Rex metaphor. That metaphor simply doesn't fly, because Rmail does support multiple Rmail files in the same Emacs session. > What you did was turning the T-Rex into packs of > velociraptors, but I want a swarm of paleo-bees, each > and every one separated from the other. I did nothing of the kind.