From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:48:07 +0200 Message-ID: <83vbzkcx20.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385131694 11323 80.91.229.3 (22 Nov 2013 14:48:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 14:48:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: ttn@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Nov 22 15:48:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjs1p-0002TC-JC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 15:48:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39248 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjs1p-0001dp-7P for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36787) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjs1h-0001dS-Fu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjs1c-0006Kn-8p for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:45487) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Vjs1c-0006KY-1E; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 09:48:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MWO00400671O700@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:48:02 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MWO0047G6G1KYB0@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Fri, 22 Nov 2013 16:48:02 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165560 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Drew Adams , ttn@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 08:56:45 -0500 > > > yet support variable sizes and fonts.) All you can do is select one > > of the existing faces. > > We would only want to lift that restriction if we want to provide > bad-WYSIWYG. Good-WYSIWYG on the other hand is perfectly happy with > that restriction, since the appearance of particular elements is only > specified indirectly via style sheets. I guess you've never used any of the *Office word processors, because they allow this quite easily: there's a font selection combo on the tool bar, and a size selection combo right next to it. You mark the text, then select any font and/or any size, and the marked text acquires those attributes. There are also tool-bar button to gradually increase/decrease the size of the selected text. Of course, there's also a style selection combo, which works the same way, but I don't see how the former is "bad-WYSIWYG", certainly not as opposed to the latter. FWIW, I use the former very frequently, because its effect is much more predictable than that of the style (which comes with many strings attached, some of which you don't see until it's too late).